tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post26438071771397203..comments2024-03-16T00:21:43.240+00:00Comments on Separated by a Common Language: sticks and canes, walkers and frameslynneguisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10171345732985610861noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-76713388558801576312017-02-01T23:12:00.622+00:002017-02-01T23:12:00.622+00:00Venturing off topic, I'd be prepared to place ...Venturing off topic, I'd be prepared to place a reasonable sized bet that Lynne's use in the post of 'roommate' is AmE, equivalent to BrE 'flatmate' or 'housemate'. I thought I'd seen that covered somewhere here, but a blog search only brings up this post.KeithDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10451059429340892054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-61893763014393590692016-10-31T10:12:53.037+00:002016-10-31T10:12:53.037+00:00I caught an old episode of 'Frasier' the o...I caught an old episode of 'Frasier' the other day, in which Daphne's mother referred to Frasier's dad's 'cane', which a real Englishwoman would never do. Might have known this blog would already have covered the topic!Kate Buntinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17223976536411967222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-72045335757359113472012-08-20T12:36:29.680+01:002012-08-20T12:36:29.680+01:00Off topic, it would be BrE knickers/AmE underwear ...Off topic, it would be BrE knickers/AmE underwear (or underpants or panties, but I would say 'underwear' there even though it's a more general term) or BrE tights/AmE pantyhose (or tights, if they're opaque)lynneguisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10171345732985610861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-20954124598440419222012-08-20T11:59:41.607+01:002012-08-20T11:59:41.607+01:00I was going to mention trekking poles, the high (i...I was going to mention trekking poles, the high (ish, <i>(qv)</i>)-tech but I see Anon has beaten me to it. I find them more useful these days for extracting things from under the (BrE)sofa/(AmE)couch. My cat has a habit of stealing my (BrE)knickers/(AmE)tights and stowing them there.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-32499003083079667612008-10-22T06:33:00.000+01:002008-10-22T06:33:00.000+01:00My mental cane is a flexible one, much like Martin...My mental cane is a flexible one, much like Martinus', particularly because of "caning" at school (stick based corporal punishment)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-47304390074858028492008-03-31T15:57:00.000+01:002008-03-31T15:57:00.000+01:00Sticks are aids to walking, canes are for show or ...Sticks are aids to walking, canes are for show or as they were still in use when I was at school for hitting people with. The only exception I can think of is the Swagger Stick as used in the Army.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-61171837285338980072008-03-20T12:27:00.000+00:002008-03-20T12:27:00.000+00:00In Japanese, one way to refer to this thing is fro...In Japanese, one way to refer to this thing is from with a loanword from English, namely "sutekki". When it's said aloud, it's clearly from "stick", but (as an American) I wondered why it had this meaning. Now I see!Vickyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17629559165211017811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-88060812076669968622008-03-19T08:01:00.000+00:002008-03-19T08:01:00.000+00:00It's odd how one constructs one's own etymologies,...It's odd how one constructs one's own etymologies, or at least explanations, for things. Until reading this post I would have unhesitatingly bet you a fiver that "Zimmer frame" was an Americanism. to tell you why exactly would require a small fortune spent on hypnosis, I dare say, but this was <I>definitely</I> down on my list as a US import - how wrong can you be? well well well - you live and learn! Thanks again for the always-excellent content.Strawberryyoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01088158170872265875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-74582003133973309192008-03-18T19:20:00.000+00:002008-03-18T19:20:00.000+00:00(BrE) I tend to use burp or belch if I am being fo...(BrE) I tend to use burp or belch if I am being formal :) Although the wife recently came across eruction, which we particularly liked.<BR/><BR/>While I would associate windypops more with the other end of a baby, I have heard it used for baby burps before.JohnBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17557412116309148129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-7987051948381865472008-03-17T21:38:00.000+00:002008-03-17T21:38:00.000+00:00I hear belch, although the OED says it's 'now vul...I hear <I>belch</I>, although the OED says it's 'now vulgar'--and the British do use <I>burp</I> nowadays. When referring to babies, Better Half and the In-Laws all say <I>windy-pops</I> (noun), which drives me a little more bonkers than I already am. <A HREF="" REL="nofollow">Urban Dictionary</A> (not that I trust it one little bit) says that <I>windypops</I> = flatulence, but the ILs use it particularly for baby burps.lynneguisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10171345732985610861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-68607735804825400442008-03-17T21:22:00.000+00:002008-03-17T21:22:00.000+00:00How anyone managed not to comment on the REAL issu...How anyone managed not to comment on the REAL issue of this post is beyond me... Just what are the British supposed to say instead of "burp"?Marc Naimarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15832885558832932466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-28103746912017855292008-03-17T15:02:00.000+00:002008-03-17T15:02:00.000+00:00In Br.E “crutches” also include under armpit versi...In Br.E “crutches” also include under armpit versions as well as arm-crutches. As a grammar school boy from 1948 to 1953, I can assure you that some canes did have curved handles: they were hooked inside masters’ academic gowns and applied to boys’ bottoms for almost any infringement such as as not knowing how to the conjugate a Latin verb or being late back from a gym lesson, even if it was the gym master’s fault!Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13478343480167882044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-85154682660352905932008-03-17T13:12:00.000+00:002008-03-17T13:12:00.000+00:00I (BrE) would tend to use 'walking frame' rather t...I (BrE) would tend to use 'walking frame' rather than 'Zimmer frame', and certainly without exception if the user's disability is not age-related. A 'Zimmer frame' is 100% an elderly accoutrement to me!<BR/>I agree with your BH's assessment of 'cane' being basically stick-as-accessory rather than stick-as-mobility-aid.<BR/>On sticks-for-hiking/rambling/trekking: it's a stick if it's dead plain, perhaps a branch of appropriate length I've picked up as I go; it might be a staff if it's shoulder height or more; it's a thumbstick (great things)if it's forked at the top so I can rest my thumb in it; it's a (walking) pole if it's one of those lightweight metal extendable things I use two of in 'serious' walking to haul myself up a hill or save my knees going down one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-84659081732387825832008-03-17T06:45:00.000+00:002008-03-17T06:45:00.000+00:00Australian usages: for stick/cane, pretty much as ...Australian usages: for stick/cane, pretty much as BrE. That is, walking-stick for those who need a bit of help walking, "cane" for something fancy. The white version used by a blind person is perhaps a halfway exception - I hear both "stick" and "cane".<BR/><BR/>The frame is mostly referred to as the full generic term "walking frame". Only occasionally, perhaps in places where they're used extensively, might one hear "Zimmer frame" or just "frame".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-26657713438638493982008-03-16T22:21:00.000+00:002008-03-16T22:21:00.000+00:00As far as I'm aware (southwest US), the armpit cru...As far as I'm aware (southwest US), the armpit crutches are still standard for temporary walking assistance in the US, although I've noticed that it's more common for people to use only one crutch than it was when I was of the adventurous age more likely to break a bone.Jonathan Bogarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12642591944483957225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-45155772639496064952008-03-16T12:46:00.000+00:002008-03-16T12:46:00.000+00:00Crutch is used in the UK, but I was surprised when...<I>Crutch</I> is used in the UK, but I was surprised when I moved here to find that they are usually the kind with an arm cuff, rather than the kind that goes in your armpit. When I was a kid in the US, the arm-cuff kind was for the permanently disabled, whereas the armpit kind was used if you broke your leg or sprained your ankle. (Has the arm-cuff kind caught on in the US for temporary disabilities?)lynneguisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10171345732985610861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-8956075756605893442008-03-16T12:38:00.000+00:002008-03-16T12:38:00.000+00:00I sem to recall some British movies wherein what a...I sem to recall some British movies wherein what an American would call 'crutches' where termed 'sticks.' Does BrE use a 'crutch,' so to speak?jhmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15024302748759726815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-76303563044599462008-03-16T11:20:00.000+00:002008-03-16T11:20:00.000+00:00Derry--they'd be walkers in AmE too--but to make i...Derry--they'd be <I>walkers</I> in AmE too--but to make it clear, I'd probably say <I>baby walker</I>.<BR/><BR/>Two other things that I forgot to mention in the post: (1) both dialects might talk about a cane (a thin, hollow reed) as a device for beating people's bottoms--that one doesn't have a handle, and (2) if you need a generic term in BrE, you can say <I>walking frame</I>--but really, people say <I>Zimmer</I>.lynneguisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10171345732985610861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-1487582071134226932008-03-16T09:49:00.000+00:002008-03-16T09:49:00.000+00:00That's because these are walkers.From a random go...That's because <A HREF="http://www.toysrus.co.uk/content/Html/BRU/buyersguides/walkers/image.gif" REL="nofollow"> these</A> are walkers.<BR/><BR/>From <A HREF="http://www.toysrus.co.uk/framestatic.aspx/buyersguides/walkers/walkers.htm?zone=Bru" REL="nofollow">a random googled page</A>.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00378573527535458089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-6611079347988366842008-03-16T09:30:00.000+00:002008-03-16T09:30:00.000+00:00It was within the last week that the penny dropped...It was within the last week that the penny dropped that the band <A HREF="http://www.thezimmersonline.com/" REL="nofollow"> The Zimmers </A> was named for their walkers.stephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16749932791938557725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-50287356336952964652008-03-16T09:00:00.000+00:002008-03-16T09:00:00.000+00:00I (ScE) almost never hear "zimmer frame," but rath...I (ScE) almost never hear "zimmer frame," but rather the shortened form "zimmer" a lot. To call a walking stick a cane is definitively, to my ears, AmE, although it is a usage we are not unfamiliar with over here due to TV and films.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-51492801193978971432008-03-16T02:52:00.000+00:002008-03-16T02:52:00.000+00:00The first thing that comes to my (AmE) mind with t...The first thing that comes to my (AmE) mind with the terming 'walking stick' is a certain <A HREF="http://travel.mongabay.com/pix/peru/tambopata-Tambopata_1029_4797.html" REL="nofollow">insect</A>. (I once saw one the size of a chihuahua ambling down the sidewalk like something out of a Far Side cartoon.) It might also refer to an impromptu hiking device. The thing used by either a disabled person or a Gary Cooper wannabe is a 'cane'.flatlanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14711270206823934186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-3060531728114340152008-03-16T00:21:00.000+00:002008-03-16T00:21:00.000+00:00I think of a cane as a subset of "walking stick", ...I think of a cane as a subset of "walking stick", the flexible kind used a a prop (in both senses of the word) by Chaplin for example. My NSOED defines the word botanically: "The hollow jointed woody stem of certain reeds and grasses, as bamboo and sugar cane; the solid stem of slender palms, as the rattan, Malacca, etc." then gives as the third definition: "A length of cane used as an instrument of punishment, as a walking-stick, as a support for a plant, etc.; any slender walking-stick."<BR/><BR/>So a cane can be a walking stick, but a walking stick need not be a cane.Martinus Scriblerushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07550595497511087925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-54671189909539149222008-03-16T00:11:00.000+00:002008-03-16T00:11:00.000+00:00I work with Zimmer reps for orthopedic implants al...I work with Zimmer reps for orthopedic implants all the time. (AmE). I've only ever heard Zimmer frame for a walker on Brit TV, never here. With so many new varieties of assistive devices, I'm expecting a slew of new terms any moment.Zhoenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03515663141425057088noreply@blogger.com