tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post2704113348671887079..comments2024-03-28T16:11:36.465+00:00Comments on Separated by a Common Language: breakfast in Brightonlynneguisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10171345732985610861noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-91490808904343995512019-11-23T11:44:37.785+00:002019-11-23T11:44:37.785+00:00This makes me long for amercican breakfast. Ameri...This makes me long for amercican breakfast. American bacon does not exist in UK. Streaky bacon looks similar, but does neither cooks nor eats the same. WHGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18411487555509753417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-20034078851143938812019-11-23T11:42:43.708+00:002019-11-23T11:42:43.708+00:00Both terms are used, but doorstop is much more co...Both terms are used, but doorstop is much more common.. And it makes more sense. WHGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18411487555509753417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-53994738131780896792016-12-07T09:46:51.701+00:002016-12-07T09:46:51.701+00:00Holystone, ahem I thought was pumice, as in holey-...Holystone, ahem I thought was pumice, as in holey-stone. I'm an American and a sailor, living in the U.K. 10 years. Turns out it's a sandstone brick. Used to sand the wooden decks of Naval ships of both Navies back when they were made of wood. Who knew? Also I like both kinds of bacon. My British wife can't abide the streaky stuff. Practical Piratehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08524540433657925857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-78989472557673286822012-08-20T19:41:07.350+01:002012-08-20T19:41:07.350+01:00@anonymous:
Definitely doorstep for a thick slice...@anonymous:<br /><br />Definitely <b>doorstep</b> for a thick slice of bread in my experience. Presumably so-called after the resemblance to the holystoned doorsteps of many of the houses.arniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13068830078875310006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-33329247663845357122012-08-19T21:28:44.402+01:002012-08-19T21:28:44.402+01:00Hmm, I've always heard it as, and said, doorst...Hmm, I've always heard it as, and said, doorstop. Even though it doesn't make much sense that may (though not all doorstops are wedges, in my house with use a small iron mouse).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-13273146459893490182012-08-19T21:18:01.663+01:002012-08-19T21:18:01.663+01:00What a great game! (And I see you're making yo...What a great game! (And I see you're making your way through the blog, leaving lots of interesting comments--thanks!)lynneguisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10171345732985610861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-61027204033704106232012-08-19T13:51:42.514+01:002012-08-19T13:51:42.514+01:00I'm working from the back towards the present ...I'm working from the back towards the present day so if there is a discussion to come about the language of american breakfasts in the diner I've yet to see it, so I'm putting down a marker here. Such breakfasts were always a highlight of visits to upstate New York in the days when I was married to one of the natives.<br /><br />I liked to think of it as a game. Playing the customer's hand, you had to specify your order as precisely as possible, and if the clerk(?) had to ask for further detail ("was that dark rye toast or light rye toast?") you lost. I found a similar game being played at delis in New York City (and also Toronto), and of course in the bar ("martini, very dry, straight up, rocks on the side").<br /><br />The vocabulary of these games would flummox (is that a word in AmE?) many a Brit. Especially the idea that sausages can be "links" or "patties" , not to mention be served with maple syrup – not half as bad as it sounds, and I've even tried it with our local Cumberland sausage.<br /><br />The language of these games is surely worth a book in its own right.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-27311244201424699852009-08-23T13:21:25.821+01:002009-08-23T13:21:25.821+01:00Coming rather late to this one, but might I just a...Coming rather late to this one, but might I just add that a super-thick slice of bread is a <b>doorstep</b>, not a doorstop.Robbienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-46201237842274153852007-12-30T23:49:00.000+00:002007-12-30T23:49:00.000+00:00There's bacon (stips) and Canadian bacon (round) s...There's bacon (stips) and Canadian bacon (round) sold in the US for breakfast, and another meat, pork roll that my friends from Flordia hoard and take home on their trips to New Jersey. All wonderful breakfast meats!Sterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08856854126127258353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-83610300257647174022007-06-23T09:56:00.000+01:002007-06-23T09:56:00.000+01:00I think it is missing a lot of subtlety to equate ...I think it is missing a lot of subtlety to equate "caff" with "café" (or "cafe", as the latter has usually been Anglicised to). A caff, often found in the combo "transport caff" if it is used primarily by lorry drivers, is a bit down-market. It's somewhere you'd expect to buy the kind of greasy breakfast you describe. A cafe, otoh, is just somewhere you would stop for a small meal, be it tea and toast, fish and chips, or a fry-up. The eateries found in department stores are cafes but never caffs. What would once have been called a tea room would probably now be a cafe. Cafe covers a range from caffs at the bottom end up to but not including restaurants at the top.<BR/><BR/>Also, "caff" is a bit of a working-class word, so someone who wanted to be seen as middle-class would replace it with "cafe" or "greasy spoon", the latter phrase having no class restrictions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-1326367474206510472007-06-18T11:22:00.000+01:002007-06-18T11:22:00.000+01:00I don't think fried bread is very much like Texas ...I don't think fried bread is very much like Texas toast--but then I don't think the fried bread in the video resembles fried bread very much. Fried bread in the UK is typically soaked all the way through with fat. <BR/><BR/>The kind of bread used in Texas toast is called <B><I>door-stop bread</B></I> in BrE.lynneguisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10171345732985610861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-9706984062161356442007-06-16T14:20:00.000+01:002007-06-16T14:20:00.000+01:00The fried bread seems like US Texas toast (except ...The fried bread seems like US Texas toast (except made with regular sandwich-sized bread rather than large, thick bread slices).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-43952699470257393082007-06-14T14:12:00.000+01:002007-06-14T14:12:00.000+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Paul Danonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04816761952837296368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-10801836463866653082007-06-06T22:45:00.000+01:002007-06-06T22:45:00.000+01:00I am sorry to say that the video leaves out an ess...I am sorry to say that the video leaves out an essential step in making good fried bread, to wit that before putting the bread into the hot fat (to digress, why do they suggest vegetable oil, what's wrong with the fat in which the rest of the fried breakfast has been cooked, supplemented if necessary with some lard?) it should be lightly sprinkled with water on both sides. <BR/>Harold McKee could probably explain why this works. I only know that it does.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-55934648436830916382007-06-04T20:49:00.000+01:002007-06-04T20:49:00.000+01:00Ah, Potentilla. We eat bloody puddy with apples a...Ah, Potentilla. We eat bloody puddy with apples and mashed potato - a German dish called Himmel und Erde. As for Smoked Salmon - happily it has negative calories so you can eat as much as you like. Can't you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-50826781660488599512007-06-04T12:00:00.000+01:002007-06-04T12:00:00.000+01:00Lynneguist - last time I bought M&S streaky bacon,...Lynneguist - last time I bought M&S streaky bacon, it crisped up in an American kind of way. Also, you can usually buy maple-cure in one of the supermarket posh brands (eg Taste the Difference - is that Tesco?)<BR/><BR/>Black pudding is best fried with apples. And dearieme's breakfast reverie missed out one of the nicest things in the Far Too Much Protein category, scrambled egg with smoked salmon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-35416017380012902202007-06-04T11:48:00.000+01:002007-06-04T11:48:00.000+01:00My family use "Canadian bacon" to refer to pork lo...My family use "Canadian bacon" to refer to pork loin, and it was/is roasted rather than grilled.<BR/><BR/>Ginger YellowGinger Yellowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06103410278129312943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-6819155803921093222007-06-03T11:41:00.000+01:002007-06-03T11:41:00.000+01:00Back bacon is generally referred to in AmE as Cana...Back bacon is generally referred to in AmE as <B>Canadian bacon</B>. <BR/><BR/>Will correct the post to note the <I>wad</I> = 'sandwich' information.lynneguisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10171345732985610861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-73730838572568872752007-06-03T11:36:00.000+01:002007-06-03T11:36:00.000+01:00I had composed my comments in Word and pasted,so I...I had composed my comments in Word and pasted,so I had not realised that some of it was repetitious. Mea,culpa!Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13478343480167882044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-4216246002394548832007-06-03T11:32:00.000+01:002007-06-03T11:32:00.000+01:00In the RAF a sandwich was known as a “wad” and usu...In the RAF a sandwich was known as a “wad” and usually purchased from the N.A.A.F.I (Amer.PX?) to supplement the inadequate food served in the airmen’s mess. I suspect the word was derived from the cotton plug, used to stop up the powder in a gun or cannon. <BR/><BR/>Quite a few military words originate from 200 years in India e.g. Khaki (Urdu-dust coloured) and in the RAF a three-ton lorry was a gharry (Hindi-gari-horse drawn carriage).<BR/><BR/>I have not heard the word ”green-bacon” for many years. During rationing and when people were generally poorer, streaky bacon was normally eaten at breakfast, but nowadays most people would buy back-bacon and streaky is confined to cooking e.g. wrapping round a turkey or chicken for roasting in the oven. I noticed in New York that in the diners streaky bacon was always served.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13478343480167882044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-80486348505686475672007-06-02T12:13:00.000+01:002007-06-02T12:13:00.000+01:00Bacon in the US cooks so that the fat streaks in i...Bacon in the US cooks so that the fat streaks in it turn a sort of caramel colo(u)r and become...hm, brittle isn't quite the right word, because the fat has a buttery quality (being fat). I can't think of what to compare it to.<BR/><BR/>The fat in British bacon tends to stay fairly white and gelatinous, unless one burns it. On standard back bacon, people usually cut off the fat and don't eat it. I also find British bacon saltier than American bacon, but that's probably just because the maple-curing in (much) American bacon gives it an additional flavo(u)r note that cuts down on the salty taste. (I tried looking up comparative nutrition facts to check on sodium content, but since US labels are based on serving size and UK labels on 100g of whatever food it is, it's hard to figure out how the sodium levels compare.)<BR/><BR/>On dearieme's breakfast revery, I'm reminded of the lyric from Supertramp's 'Breakfast in America':<BR/><BR/><I>Could we have kippers for breakfast,<BR/>Mummy dear, Mummy dear?<BR/>They gotta have'em in Texas<BR/>'Cause everyone's a millionaire</I><BR/><BR/>I remember having to look up <I>kipper</I> in a dictionary when that song came out.lynneguisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10171345732985610861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-87161267725380950712007-06-02T11:38:00.000+01:002007-06-02T11:38:00.000+01:00I don't consider most bacon in Britain to be bacon...I don't consider most bacon in Britain to be bacon any more. <BR/>Bacon should be cured, and IMO smoked, so that it becomes a cured meat, which can be kept without further preservation. This is a lengthy process involving brining and drying. <BR/>Commercial British bacon has dissolved flavourings and preservatives injected into the meat, which is then sealed into plastic sachets (with the evidence of the excess water sloshing around inside) which, even so, have to be refrigerated for storage.<BR/>You can buy real bacon, which cooks and crisps, and tastes good, but probably not from a supermarket.<BR/><BR/>Oops, I think my displeasure may be showing.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00378573527535458089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-75245018335387548762007-06-02T05:59:00.000+01:002007-06-02T05:59:00.000+01:00The only time I'd ever seen "streaky bacon" (as op...The only time I'd ever seen "streaky bacon" (as opposed to just "bacon")was in reading some heavy-handed criticism of Victorian polychrome architecture - the critic described the buildings as looking like streaky bacon because of the different colored bricks. I assumed "streaky" was added by the author just to be more descriptive, not because "streaky bacon" is considred the proper term for a particular type of bacon.<BR/><BR/>So, you learn something new everyday.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-35598468575587236092007-06-01T23:54:00.000+01:002007-06-01T23:54:00.000+01:00Come to think of it, when I've been in North Ameri...Come to think of it, when I've been in North America, I've never been offered such old-fashioned brecky treats as kedgeree or devilled kidneys. Or even a humble kipper.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-60085071091220819422007-06-01T23:51:00.000+01:002007-06-01T23:51:00.000+01:00A real breakfast treat that I've not had in years ...A real breakfast treat that I've not had in years is the Aberdeen buttery. The best are equalled only by the very best croissants.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com