tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post6989116218536586109..comments2024-03-16T00:21:43.240+00:00Comments on Separated by a Common Language: stuffing and dressinglynneguisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10171345732985610861noreply@blogger.comBlogger76125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-35288387123153960012021-11-02T07:38:50.254+00:002021-11-02T07:38:50.254+00:00Russets for baking. We used locally-grown Eastern ...Russets for baking. We used locally-grown Eastern white potatoes for mashing, as we were on Long Island and the potato fields had not all been developed. Nowadays I'd buy "Eastern whites" which could be from NY, New England, PA or Eastern Canada. Yukon Gold are very nice mashed, as are some other yellow potatoes. kevrobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09340549196615189813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-76004225524048312322019-05-25T19:50:44.590+01:002019-05-25T19:50:44.590+01:00BrE, Scot, mid 60s. As a child, I heard adults tal...BrE, Scot, mid 60s. As a child, I heard adults talking about a capon. When I asked what that was, I was told it was a dressed chicken. My uncle then went on to explain that the chicken wore a frock and makeup. Many years later, I learned that a canon is a castrated cockerel.Shy-replyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01891566073375322808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-9432335299860293122018-11-04T14:46:42.456+00:002018-11-04T14:46:42.456+00:00I know this is an old post but while working in a ...I know this is an old post but while working in a restaurant with Mexican cooks, we were serving "turkey and dressing "the other day. I had a guest that wanted no dressing/ stuffing. I typed in "no dressing",afterall the dish was called "turkey and dressing ". When the cook prepared the plate, it had stuffing/ dressing but no gravy. I was informed by my Mexican boss that I should have requested no "stuffing" (even though the sign advertised "turkey and dressing ") and "gravy" and "dressing" were interchangeable in this instance but not "stuffing/ dressing. " I'm from southern Indiana, 56 yrs old and stuffing/ dressing have always meant the bread and herb dish served with turkey. Dressing has also meant the sauce on top of salads. But gravy always meant the hot(temp) sauce served on top of cooked food. Reading this post showed me I was more wrong than right by using the word "dressing" instead of "stuffing" but I was raised calling it dressing. Thank you all for the lesson Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05922289583911059452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-44751762412894471752012-09-16T18:46:47.459+01:002012-09-16T18:46:47.459+01:00My mother was sent to boarding school in Canada an...My mother was sent to boarding school in Canada and lived in Wisconsin. We call "stuffing" dressing and once in a while, slip and say "Happy Christmas". Tough when you live in Buffalo.Cate Cloughnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-14619668747001180582011-11-28T21:36:59.309+00:002011-11-28T21:36:59.309+00:00Meanwhile, my parents said it on Skype on Thursday...Meanwhile, my parents said it on Skype on Thursday. There are probably generational as well as regional differences here.lynneguisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10171345732985610861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-9520030478818802822011-11-28T21:27:08.940+00:002011-11-28T21:27:08.940+00:00I grew up in the NY suburbs, and my experience is ...I grew up in the NY suburbs, and my experience is the same as that of Becky.Tednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-12397735139609992812011-11-21T12:23:32.190+00:002011-11-21T12:23:32.190+00:00American with many Thanksgivings in Masssachusetts...American with many Thanksgivings in Masssachusetts (and a few in New Jersey). I've never heard anybody use these as synonyms--dressing is what goes on the salad.<br /><br />We often had some stuffing on the table that hadn't actually been stuffed in the bird (for the vegetarian), but would never have called it anything but stuffing.beckynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-67427113859609125762011-01-14T12:07:40.493+00:002011-01-14T12:07:40.493+00:0051, born and raised in Illinois but of Southern he...51, born and raised in Illinois but of Southern heritage. I grew up with the term dressing and knew it to be what others referred to as stuffing and I still say dressing.<br /><br />Someone asked why you would cook dressing outside the bird and it has nothing to do with the possibility of salmonella poisoning. A lot of families in the Southern US make a pan of dressing at times of the year other Thanksgiving or Christmas, as a side dish. Also, my mother, at least, would boil a chicken and then pull the meat off the bones which would then be mixed into the dressing before baking. Don't knock it til you've tried it!dang ithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15579552053986700367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-78500392983074635532010-12-23T11:43:27.135+00:002010-12-23T11:43:27.135+00:00Astonishingly, The Times has a feature today on Ma...Astonishingly, The Times has a feature today on Marilyn Monroe's notebooks - and it gives her recipe for a turkey dinner in 1955, when she was setting up house with Arthur Miller. The stuffing contains sourdough French bread, chicken giblets (boiled and chopped), onion, parsley, chopped celery, salt, pepper, herbs, grated parmesan, minced beef, raisins, chopped nuts and chopped hard-boiled eggs. The beef, bread and raisins are the major ingredients. This is a meal in itself! The Times cooked it separately from the bird, which was roasted with onion and some spices and - wait for it! - basted twice during cooking with an oil and vinegar dressing.<br />It all sounds very strange, particularly the beef in the stuffing, but it seems it tasted good.biochemistnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-71174782438455165912010-12-21T14:20:55.803+00:002010-12-21T14:20:55.803+00:00I've just realised that the phrase 'mutton...I've just realised that the phrase 'mutton dressed as lamb' may have a literal, culinary meaning as well as that of a woman clothed inappropriately girlishly. After all, a stringy old sheep would take a good deal of preparation to serve up in the same way as a tender young animal.biochemistnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-66311496745201397882010-12-20T17:25:52.640+00:002010-12-20T17:25:52.640+00:00@David Crosbie (who probably isn't following t...@David Crosbie (who probably isn't following this any more): the problem with stuffing the stuffing into the cavity of the bird is that cooking the stuffing to the proper temperature (165 degF) would result in the breast meat of the bird being bone-dry.<br /><br />@all: Traditionally, the "'white' potatoes" which are mashed to go along with formal dinners were Russet Burbanks (a variety developed in the early part of the last century by plant-improvement maven Luther Burbank, and by several orders of magnitude the most common potato variety in American because of its ideal shape for making "shoestring" french fries). Nowadays many people make mashed potatoes from the semi-waxy variety Yukon Gold, which is more forgiving to overmashing (where high-starch Russet Burbanks just get gluey).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-77485110665181987632010-12-16T00:29:26.971+00:002010-12-16T00:29:26.971+00:00I'm a 30 year old Bostonian (with an English f...I'm a 30 year old Bostonian (with an English fiance) and had never heard of calling stuffing "dressing" until a television commercial sometime before Thanksgiving tried to convince me there was some great debate about it. (Reminds me of the "sauce" vs "gravy" arguments regarding tomato sauce.)<br /><br />A quick informal poll of my mother and grandmother (also both native to Boston) tells me that both of them will say dressing with some level of comfort, but I would swear I've never in my life heard either of them say as such.jleebeanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00394285415496407074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-49266375454933095772010-12-14T12:08:24.552+00:002010-12-14T12:08:24.552+00:00@ Kate - it must be a family thing, as in my (Brit...@ Kate - it must be a family thing, as in my (British) family, stuffing almost always contains sausagemeat! Back in the day, my mother would make two different kinds of stuffing - sausagemeat for one end and chestnut for the other - but these days it tends to be all-in-one! And very good it is, too. This is as well as any sausages that may or may not be cooked outside the turkey (not invariably, in my family; bacon, yes!).Mrs Redboots (Annabel Smyth)https://www.blogger.com/profile/11270027663691257254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-43818731788373129122010-12-14T08:49:04.384+00:002010-12-14T08:49:04.384+00:00jpeeps
"dressed, stuffed turkey"
This ...jpeeps<br /><br /><i>"dressed, stuffed turkey"</i><br /><br />This rang a bell with me, but my memory settled on the wrong song. Having slept on it, I remember where to find it:<br /><br /><i>I heard the voice of a pork chop say<br />'Come unto me and rest'<br />You talk about liver, stew and beans<br />But I know what's the best<br />That's pork, chop, veal chop, ham and eggs<br /><b>Turkey stuffed and dressed</b><br />I heard the voice of a pork chop say<br />'Come unto me and rest'</i><br /><br />This is the chorus to a song recorded twice in 1928, by Jim Jackson and by Bogus Ben Covington. In both versions, one verse ends with the wonderful lines<br /><br /><i>My stomach sent a telegram to my throat<br />'There's a wreck on the road somewhere'</i><br /><br />And between verses, Jim Jackson comments over his guitar picking:<br /><br /><i>Oh sure! Ain't that good? Oh, ain't that nice? Ain't it nice to be nice when you can be nice?</i>David Crosbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01858358459416955921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-3805113641531319432010-12-14T01:58:38.999+00:002010-12-14T01:58:38.999+00:00@Canadian: I see one important difference. In the ...@Canadian: I see one important difference. In the sausage stuffings/dressings with which I'm familiar, the sausage is cooked first, before being mixed with the mashed potatoes and other ingredients. That would move it out of the meatloaf/paté corner pretty quickly!John Burgesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11979918255430186425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-17851140477615844742010-12-13T11:46:24.156+00:002010-12-13T11:46:24.156+00:00[UK b 1958] Here's another usage of dress(ing)...[UK b 1958] Here's another usage of dress(ing) applicable in the UK - what the butcher does before you buy your fowl. You may well be lucky enough to have one that sells you a dressed turkey - trussed, trimmed and ready to be shoved in the oven, and possibly, if you weren't keen on the kitchen, a stuffed one too. Actually, a "dressed, stuffed turkey" isn't a great example as in this day and age it would be difficult to come by a bird that hadn't been "dressed", but "a brace of dressed, stuffed pheasant" still has some meaning. In the UK you can still see unplucked game for sale - I'm not sure if that's ever been the case in the US.jpeepsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-89528318446809847782010-12-13T11:40:45.788+00:002010-12-13T11:40:45.788+00:00I'm 51, a 5-generation native of northern Cali...I'm 51, a 5-generation native of northern California. I've always understood "dressing" and "stuffing" as synonyms.My 80-year-old mother prefers "dressing" Not sure which I prefer, since I really don't care for the stuff and let someone else make it. But if it's Thanksgiving morning, dressing is the stuff that goes in the turkey. The stuff on the salad is "salad dressing."Juliehttp://www.julieannmaahs.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-39248386600680001772010-12-13T09:53:25.296+00:002010-12-13T09:53:25.296+00:00Robbie - In my experience UK-style stuffing is not...Robbie - In my experience UK-style stuffing is not made with sausagemeat. The breadcrumbs/herbs mix contains fat (to baste the bird internally), but the sausages are cooked outside the turkey!<br /><br />Kate (Derby, UK)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-10753652351244239992010-12-13T01:33:23.743+00:002010-12-13T01:33:23.743+00:00I know other people say "dressing" but o...I know other people say "dressing" but our family (mostly raised in Ohio) never have. We have "in-bird stuffing" (cooked in the turkey, served in a dish) and "out-of-bird stuffing" (cooked in a dish, served in a dish).kostiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00421321158173999309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-78974475838248084622010-12-10T14:58:54.398+00:002010-12-10T14:58:54.398+00:00I'd better say something about Biochemist'...I'd better say something about Biochemist's description of "all the trimmings", before the US readers start gagging:<br /><br />UK pigs in blankets = chipolatas or other small sausages wrapped in bacon, a traditional festive turkey "trimming"<br /><br />US pigs in blankets = hot dogs wrapped and baked inside a bread or pastry case, a casual light meal<br /><br />Having grown up in the US (St Louis suburbs) I have heard stuffing called "dressing", but that wasn't the usual term in our family.<br /><br />I must admit that I like US-style stuffing (based on chunks of bread) better than UK-style (based on sausagemeat and breadcrumbs), as a rule. However, the UK-style stuffing is designed to be eaten in fairly small amounts along with the meat, like a sauce or relish. US-style is more an independent side dish.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-24052188175671083182010-12-10T03:16:09.523+00:002010-12-10T03:16:09.523+00:00As a foodie (ie an amateur home cook) in South Flo...As a foodie (ie an amateur home cook) in South Florida who was constantly looking up recipes this Thanksgiving, I came to the conclusion that, in the context of the stuff you either put inside poultry when you roast it or serve along side it, "stuffing" refers to a savory dish made with bread & other flavorings (despite whether or not it's actually cooked inside the bird), and "dressing" is the same thing but with rice instead of bread. "Salad dressing" or just plain "dressing" in most any other context of course refers to the liquidy stuff you put on a salad (or sometimes other dishes, such as broccoli or macaroni salad) to give it flavor.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-89711288230659095802010-12-09T21:43:24.654+00:002010-12-09T21:43:24.654+00:00I'm American, in my 60s from Ohio. Our family ...I'm American, in my 60s from Ohio. Our family always used the word dressing. When others used stuffing it sounded strange to my ears. I do think here in the US people think dressing is for salads, stuffing is for putting in when you roast meat.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-71613476517167356422010-12-09T14:09:34.073+00:002010-12-09T14:09:34.073+00:00Trimmings! Nobody has picked up David Crosbie'...Trimmings! Nobody has picked up David Crosbie's use of 'the trimmings' to cover the (AmE) 'side dishes' in his multinational turkey feast. In my canteen today we had 'traditional Christmas dinner' of roast turkey, roast potatoes, Brussels sprouts, carrots, stuffing balls, pigs in blankets, cranberry sauce and gravy. No bread sauce unfortunately. The latter are 'the trimmings' - what lifts the meal above a regular Sunday roast lunch. The paper hats, crackers and fancy napkins help too. My US colleague told me he has never heard 'dressing' used for stuffing - or for 'the trimmings'.<br /><br />Dru and David Crosbie - health risks arise where the domestic cook has not calculated the final weight of the stuffed bird correctly, the interior is not fully cooked and the carcase has not been cooled quickly, hence the instructions to stuff the neck end (you can always put a sliced lemon inside the beast): another advantage of the stuffed neck is that the external lump can be sliced by the carver rather than excavated....biochemistnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-55344703566016187642010-12-09T13:53:50.493+00:002010-12-09T13:53:50.493+00:00I'm leaving NZE & AusE for someone else...I'm leaving NZE & AusE for someone else's blog...having never been to either country, I'm not the right person to do it!lynneguisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10171345732985610861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-75917297066073571442010-12-09T02:30:53.748+00:002010-12-09T02:30:53.748+00:00New Zealander here, so closer to British English t...New Zealander here, so closer to British English than American. I have never ever heard of dressing used in that way. Dressing to me is a liquid you pour over salad. Amazing the things you learn! <br /><br />New Zealand and Australian English has a lot of differences as well, it would be cool to include them in your blogs some time.Lauren Mayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08036710283909142697noreply@blogger.com