tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post7018978336270216381..comments2024-03-28T16:11:36.465+00:00Comments on Separated by a Common Language: stabilizers / training wheelslynneguisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10171345732985610861noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-61412680760913927402008-10-30T10:03:00.000+00:002008-10-30T10:03:00.000+00:00From today's Times, Keynes caught in the middle as...From today's Times, <A HREF="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article5042501.ece" REL="nofollow">Keynes caught in the middle as the stabilisers come off</A>:<BR/>"I thought that stabilisers belonged on bicycles, but I now find that Keynes got their first and that, in his multiplier model, they can be summed up as: multiplier = 1/(1- [ MPC(1- T) - MPI])".<BR/>So now you know!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-18749443030124419532008-10-29T15:32:00.000+00:002008-10-29T15:32:00.000+00:00Actually, I think the headline in the blog ("Diver...Actually, I think the headline in the blog ("Diversity bike wobbles as the training wheels come off") is using the phrase "training wheels" very consciously as a pun.<BR/><BR/>"The wheels have come off" = the project has collapsed, it's a failure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-27030204731345095212008-10-29T15:27:00.000+00:002008-10-29T15:27:00.000+00:00Two that come to mind are "training pants," used b...<I>Two that come to mind are "training pants," used by babies as part of their transition from diapers/nappies; and "training bras," used by young girls in puberty. If you insist that the noun of the training phrase teaches something, both those examples are VERY odd.</I><BR/><BR/>Nothing odd at all about "training pants" -- they're used during potty/toilet training. I gather that they do actively help in the process by being more absorbent than normal underwear (in case of accidents), but less absorbent than nappies so that they're uncomfortable when wet (as a deterrent).<BR/><BR/>"Training bra" is a bit odder, but still not very strange. The idea is that the just-pubescent girl is being made familiar with ("trained to") the feel of wearing a bra and the habit of putting one on every day.<BR/><BR/>For those fortunate enough not to have gone through that phase, a training bra is a sort of bra-shaped elasticated vest. You're supposed to get resigned to the feel of having something fitted tightly around the breast area, a year or two before you actually have anything that needs support.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-50247622666604579342008-10-27T17:04:00.000+00:002008-10-27T17:04:00.000+00:00Incidentally, the term you were looking for in tha...Incidentally, the term you were looking for in that piece about bikes on trains was "train operating company".Ginger Yellowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06103410278129312943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-43651412215772103092008-10-27T14:01:00.000+00:002008-10-27T14:01:00.000+00:00"I couldn't imagine what she thought she was train..."I couldn't imagine what she thought she was training her breasts to do."<BR/><BR/>Push ups.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-49588840776969339502008-10-27T13:53:00.000+00:002008-10-27T13:53:00.000+00:00Last time I returned to the UK, in 1989, I was sur...<I>Last time I returned to the UK, in 1989, I was surprised to learn that sneakers are called trainers. So, I can't imagine what they think they're training their feet to do.</I><BR/><BR/>That's because they are associated with training for sport. Trainers - shoes for training. the use of training in relation to sport has moved away from learning and towards practicing.Eleanor Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09136803029596515777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-29889200135019996152008-10-27T13:43:00.000+00:002008-10-27T13:43:00.000+00:00>I couldn't imagine what she thought she wa...>I couldn't imagine what she thought she was training her breasts to do.<<BR/><BR/>I offer one example of the inverse, in which the 'training' enigma crops up in BrE. Last time I returned to the UK, in 1989, I was surprised to learn that sneakers are called trainers. So, I can't imagine what they think they're training their feet to do.Trinovante39https://www.blogger.com/profile/02097649637045322001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-44171993020273254552008-10-27T13:11:00.000+00:002008-10-27T13:11:00.000+00:00I remember being completely baffled when someone i...<I>I remember being completely baffled when someone in a Judy Blume book got her first 'training bra'. I couldn't imagine what she thought she was training her breasts to do.</I><BR/><BR/>I naively assumed an American training bra was some sort of sports bra - a bra to go training in.Eleanor Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09136803029596515777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-46395463200931758512008-10-27T12:49:00.000+00:002008-10-27T12:49:00.000+00:00Two that come to mind are "training pants," used b...<I>Two that come to mind are "training pants," used by babies as part of their transition from diapers/nappies; and "training bras," used by young girls in puberty. If you insist that the noun of the training phrase teaches something, both those examples are VERY odd. </I><BR/><BR/>Which is why we don't use them in the UK. I remember being completely baffled when someone in a Judy Blume book got her first 'training bra'. I couldn't imagine what she thought she was training her breasts to do.Roshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02669423378438380019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-78470671881526207062008-10-27T12:08:00.000+00:002008-10-27T12:08:00.000+00:00@jo: "After all they are not there to train you ho...@jo: "After all they are not there to train you how to ride a bike, they are there to keep you stable while you are doing so."<BR/><BR/>There are other uses of "training" in U.S. English. I'm not sure if they're extensions of trainining wheels, or if they developed in parallel. Two that come to mind are "training pants," used by babies as part of their transition from diapers/nappies; and "training bras," used by young girls in puberty. If you insist that the noun of the training phrase teaches something, both those examples are VERY odd. -hAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-4321547886873436302008-10-27T09:00:00.000+00:002008-10-27T09:00:00.000+00:00Growing up in the UK in the sixties they were alwa...Growing up in the UK in the sixties they were always stabilisers. If I heard training wheels I'd assume it was something to do with roller skates or skateboards. After all they are not there to train you how to ride a bike, they are there to keep you stable while you are doing so.Eleanor Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09136803029596515777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-38671308251140541732008-10-27T03:15:00.000+00:002008-10-27T03:15:00.000+00:00According to Google Maps, my home is 6.6 miles by ...According to Google Maps, my home is 6.6 miles by road from Boalt Hall, the subject of the THE article. And, I agree with the usage of training wheels rather than stabilizers for children's bicycles. Like Doug, if I heard "stabilizers" without the context, I would think of airplanes.dbanoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17103299005527588981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-50565342928234141942008-10-25T20:44:00.000+01:002008-10-25T20:44:00.000+01:00(English English)Its always been stablisers as far...(English English)Its always been stablisers as far as i know, only know what a training wheel is from too many american programs ont' telly...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-55332685362491400322008-10-24T23:09:00.000+01:002008-10-24T23:09:00.000+01:00First heard "training wheels" in the Simpsons epis...First heard "training wheels" in the Simpsons episode with Michael Jackson, c.1991. All together, now:<BR/><BR/>"The training wheels come off your bike / You start to notice boys you like.."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-12442848402770152312008-10-24T20:07:00.000+01:002008-10-24T20:07:00.000+01:00For me (AmE), a "stabilizer", often called a "stab...For me (AmE), a "stabilizer", often called a "stab", is either horizontal or vertical and is a part of the empennage of an airplane. The vertical stab supports the rudder and the horizontal stab supports the elevator.<BR/><BR/>Those things on bikes are always training wheels.Doug Sundsethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01848091504066560951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-34061698404788038992008-10-24T17:15:00.000+01:002008-10-24T17:15:00.000+01:00Another Brit growing up in the 80s - never heard '...Another Brit growing up in the 80s - never heard 'training wheels', always 'stabilisers'.<BR/><BR/>And, interestingly, the THE article is about the University of California, with the term 'training wheels' used in a quote from an American. This quote seems to have inspired the headline to extend the commonplace 'wheels coming off the bike' metaphor.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-4368978471163327662008-10-24T12:47:00.000+01:002008-10-24T12:47:00.000+01:00I learned to ride a bike in New England, USA, and ...I learned to ride a bike in New England, USA, and the thingies that kept me upright were "training wheels". This was the mid 1950s, so the usage over here goes back at least that far.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-55488999968809342092008-10-24T12:04:00.000+01:002008-10-24T12:04:00.000+01:00Long ago I briefly worked in a bicycle shop in Ind...Long ago I briefly worked in a bicycle shop in Indiana, where I was informed that "stabilizers" is the technical term for "training wheels", but it should only be used when a child thinks they are too old for training wheels but the parent still wants to buy them anyway. Otherwise it was strictly "training wheels" all the way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-39003148826345925552008-10-24T11:23:00.000+01:002008-10-24T11:23:00.000+01:00Just to add my ha'p'orth Or however that's spelt) ...Just to add my ha'p'orth Or however that's spelt) to the growing chorus, I grew up in Glasgow too, like Kirsty, more seventies than eighties, and I also had to think for a moment after opening this post to work out what "training wheels" were. And I would NEVER spell stabilisers with a zed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-89135672203855468732008-10-24T09:32:00.000+01:002008-10-24T09:32:00.000+01:00I agree with many of the comments above. Growing u...I agree with many of the comments above. Growing up in Glasgow in the 80s it was always 'stabilisers'. Have never heard 'training wheels' in the UK before either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-88670829772734269432008-10-24T08:46:00.000+01:002008-10-24T08:46:00.000+01:00I don't think I've ever heard the term "training w...I don't think I've ever heard the term "training wheels" before in the UK, which makes me surprised about that THES headline, and would have had to think for a minute before working out what it meant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-55564635379571733062008-10-24T08:17:00.000+01:002008-10-24T08:17:00.000+01:00Always Stabilisers for me too when growing up (in ...Always Stabilisers for me too when growing up (in Berkshire in the 70s).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-84825673415683797202008-10-24T07:24:00.000+01:002008-10-24T07:24:00.000+01:00They were always "stabilisers", never "training wh...They were <B>always</B> "stabilisers", never "training wheels" when I grew up (Surrey, UK, 1970s).<BR/><BR/>I think we could do with a word or phrase for the hold-the-saddle-and-run-behind technique used by Dads all over the world immediately after the stabilisers are removed...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-39919512161679936882008-10-24T01:58:00.000+01:002008-10-24T01:58:00.000+01:00As the owner of a bicycle shop (in Australia) I've...As the owner of a bicycle shop (in Australia) I've only ever used the term "training wheels", as do the suppliers from which we buy them. It's also what I've always known them since childhood.<BR/><BR/>A friend's twin boys kept theirs on long after they needed them, in order to tear around sharp corners at a hair-raising speed!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-60632864006565848902008-10-23T23:45:00.000+01:002008-10-23T23:45:00.000+01:00I think it's especially people without children wh...I think it's especially people without children who get to feel smug when watching Supernanny!lynneguisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10171345732985610861noreply@blogger.com