tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post8362683651678886808..comments2024-03-16T00:21:43.240+00:00Comments on Separated by a Common Language: recuselynneguisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10171345732985610861noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-55641065658755865552007-07-07T12:43:00.000+01:002007-07-07T12:43:00.000+01:00Recusar is a common word in Spanish. It is used i...<B>Recusar</B> is a common word in Spanish. It is used in exactly the same meaning as in AmE, that is to say to disqualify oneself from sitting in judgement on a case because of a vested interestUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05952564820382472228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-87767216043281609472007-06-30T15:16:00.000+01:002007-06-30T15:16:00.000+01:00Hi! This is my first in this blog and I found this...Hi! This is my first in this blog and I found this discussion interesting. I'm a avanced Portuguese student of English. What sounds funny to me is that recuse is very similar to a very common portuguese word recusar, which is in fact the same as deny or refuse. For example "Your request was denied!"="O seu pedido foi recusado". Well, I went and did some checking and my English-Portuguese dictionary lists recuse as a juridical term which translates to recusar. Additionally, both have the same origin: Latin, recusare.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-16337893604975176782007-06-26T01:17:00.000+01:002007-06-26T01:17:00.000+01:00Or as I say in pitying tones when colleagues prote...Or as I say in pitying tones when colleagues protest that the spell check has rejected what I tell them is a perfectly good word, "Your computer's just not very well-educated, I'm afraid."RWMGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04271851970303022440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-36111571858080279152007-06-24T01:07:00.000+01:002007-06-24T01:07:00.000+01:00I always start to mispronounce recuse in my mind a...I always start to mispronounce recuse in my mind as I read it to sound like "refuse" in the trash sense.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your comments on my blog. <BR/><A HREF="http://blog.powerset.com/logofiles" REL="nofollow"><BR/>Marti</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-25735795150446381352007-06-21T16:17:00.000+01:002007-06-21T16:17:00.000+01:00I was on jury service a few years ago (in England)...I was on jury service a few years ago (in England). The potential jurors are called down to the courtroom and randomly chosen to join the jury for a case. the first one I was called for was a complex and long-winded fraud trial which was likely to last for several months, so most of the selected jurors (including me) <I>excused</I> themselves from the case on various grounds. Eventually the judge got fed up and refused to accept any more excuses. So doesn't 'excuse oneself' work as an alternative/equivalent to recuse? - incidentally I finished up on the jury for a private prosecution murder case and discovered that barristers are much better performers than most TV/film stars!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-34810529870143806972007-06-21T13:18:00.000+01:002007-06-21T13:18:00.000+01:00Dearieme, that has occurred to me. After typing t...Dearieme, that has occurred to me. After typing this last night, I discovered that Better Half is a few posts behind in his blog-reading, so I accused him of being insufficiently uxorious. I think the wedding's still on...lynneguisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10171345732985610861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-74467966090219045622007-06-21T13:11:00.000+01:002007-06-21T13:11:00.000+01:00Pace Anonymous, I was going to make the observatio...Pace Anonymous, I was going to make the observation that people generally recuse themselves, and are not recused by others, at least as far as language is concerned.<BR/><BR/>Jurors, I thought generally dismissed (wether for cause), although I suppose a person isn't technically a juror until all the issue concerning impartiality et cetera have been talked out.jhmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15024302748759726815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-20894164014838450552007-06-21T12:08:00.000+01:002007-06-21T12:08:00.000+01:00In everyday Bringlish, you would surely just "with...In everyday Bringlish, you would surely just "withdraw"? I do recommend not adopting American legalese - the buggers say "parse" when they mean "construe". And now the Serious Point: someone who's been on a hen party should be planning to require that "uxorious" be part of her active vocab.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-34628279523788644102007-06-21T07:46:00.000+01:002007-06-21T07:46:00.000+01:00Recusant n. 1. One of the Roman Catholics in Engla...Recusant <BR/>n. <BR/>1. One of the Roman Catholics in England who incurred legal and social penalties in the 16th century and afterward for refusing to attend services of the Church of England.<BR/>2. A dissenter; a nonconformist.<BR/><BR/>Latin:recusare-to refusePeterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13478343480167882044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-44798989992485958122007-06-21T03:25:00.000+01:002007-06-21T03:25:00.000+01:00Forgive me, but I am equally drawn by the juridica...Forgive me, but I am equally drawn by the juridical and the linguistic aspects here. The AmE 'recusal' seems to apply not only to court officers but also to jurors, at the time of voir-dire.<BR/>In the US, potential jurors can be 'forcibly' recused on a peremptory challenge, so it can take ages to select a jury. AFAIK, in the UK, all jurors have to do is swear to be impartial, and they're seated in a matter of minutes.<BR/>So the question in this case seems to be: Is it better to seek an impossible perfection, as in the US, or make do with whoever shows up, and swear them to impartiality?<BR/>On the linguistic side, it seems the US's vain attempt at perfection has resulted in the more frequent use of recusal, whether of officers or juries.<BR/>Lest it seem I am biased in favor of UK methods, may I hasten to add that there have been times when I'd have welcomed a few American ideas in the UK...even including ambulance-chasers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-27353922429158074862007-06-21T02:51:00.000+01:002007-06-21T02:51:00.000+01:00My spellchecker is fine with recuse, but that's be...My spellchecker is fine with <I>recuse</I>, but that's because the spellchecker is the system-wide OS X one is tied to the system dictionary, which is the New Oxford American Dictionary. Though if I bring up word, which uses its own dictionary I do get <I>recuse</I> as misspelled. Must be a Microsoft thing. They never know when to recuse themselves.Lowellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17704903596997447763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-56933202397707317942007-06-21T02:29:00.000+01:002007-06-21T02:29:00.000+01:00Technically, judges in both Britain and American r...Technically, judges in both Britain and American <I>recuse themselves</I> (or, in recent years, simply <I>recuse</I>) voluntarily, whereas they may be <I>disqualified</I> on the successful motion of either party to the case.<BR/><BR/>Originally, judges were disqualified if and only if they had a direct pecuniary interest in the case, and even this rule could be disregarded if no other judge was available. In England, that remained the rule until the 19th century, and even today there must be an objective likelihood of bias. Consequently, both recusal and disqualification remain fairly rare.<BR/><BR/>In America, however, the disqualification rule was a creature of the legislatures, which repeatedly extended the situations in which disqualification was possible. In the end, the convention that "the parties choose the judge" became very powerful indeed, and in a large minority of U.S. jurisdictions, either party may move to disqualify the judge as a matter of right, with or without reasons given. This can be, and has been, abused in order to "go judge-shopping", of course.<BR/><BR/>Civil-law countries have very complex recusal procedures (the terms <I>recusal</I> and its French equivalent <I>récusation</I> originate in civil-law procedure) which allow judges to be removed on numerous grounds, but not by mere request.<BR/><BR/>Finally, spellcheckers often reject perfectly legitimate words that are likely to be errors for much commoner words. In this case, I suspect the creators of your spellchecker believe that <I>recuse</I> is probably a typo for <I>refuse</I>. <I>Refuse</I> is about 100 times more common than <I>recuse</I>, and differs by only one letter; furthermore, <I>c</I> and <I>f</I>are adjacent on the keyboard.<BR/><BR/>Another such case is <I>suer</I>, which is a perfectly legitimate noun (from <I>sue</I> and <I>-er</I>), but in fact is most likely to be a typo for <I>user</I>.John Cowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11452247999156925669noreply@blogger.com