tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post8731857673408451226..comments2024-03-16T00:21:43.240+00:00Comments on Separated by a Common Language: toasty and toastielynneguisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10171345732985610861noreply@blogger.comBlogger75125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-69668858312135598752021-11-06T19:48:52.804+00:002021-11-06T19:48:52.804+00:00In my experience, when you talk about a couple, yo...In my experience, when you talk about a couple, you mention the person first that you know best / knew first: For example, in my family we always refer to my sister and her husband as "Jill and Jack", but I've noticed that his family says "Jack and Jill". So a very local kind of irreversible binomial, perhaps? (Not much to do with different dialects of English, either)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-90453181323412173742020-08-27T17:12:07.738+01:002020-08-27T17:12:07.738+01:00I'm surprised to find I haven't commented ...I'm surprised to find I haven't commented on this post. I frequently use a toast rack, especially if I am making toast for my husband as well as me; if I put his toast flat on the plate, it sweats all over the place in a revolting sort of way. <br /><br />As for grilled cheese sandwiches, I like to make a Cheddar sandwich, then dip the whole thing in seasoned beaten egg and fry the result on both sides - yummy!!!Mrs Redboots (Annabel Smyth)https://www.blogger.com/profile/11270027663691257254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-33710659496155346852020-08-06T11:18:31.911+01:002020-08-06T11:18:31.911+01:00BrE (Scot, late 60s). When I make cheese on toast,...BrE (Scot, late 60s). When I make cheese on toast, it is quite literally that. I toast BOTH sides of the bread, then add sliced or grated cheese and put it back under the (BrE) grill until the cheese melts. I would be very interested in a similar level of detail fir an American grilled cheese sandwich I presume that the cheese never contacts the griddle, or it would melt and stick. I also presume that the butter is on the other side of the bread, to stop sticking finally, I presume that the bread stays on the griddle long enough for the cheese to melt. To me, this is fried bread with melted cheese on top.Shy-replyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01891566073375322808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-65530446858016007572020-08-06T11:18:02.283+01:002020-08-06T11:18:02.283+01:00BrE (Scot, late 60s). When I make cheese on toast,...BrE (Scot, late 60s). When I make cheese on toast, it is quite literally that. I toast BOTH sides of the bread, then add sliced or grated cheese and put it back under the (BrE) grill until the cheese melts. I would be very interested in a similar level of detail fir an American grilled cheese sandwich I presume that the cheese never contacts the griddle, or it would melt and stick. I also presume that the butter is on the other side of the bread, to stop sticking finally, I presume that the bread stays on the griddle long enough for the cheese to melt. To me, this is fried bread with melted cheese on top.Shy-replyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01891566073375322808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-32350315979109622622017-02-11T23:38:46.241+00:002017-02-11T23:38:46.241+00:00Canadian here: I'll cast another vote for Nort...Canadian here: I'll cast another vote for North Americans who don't like soggy toast! I like my toast warm, but I loathe the condensation that forms when it's laid flat on a plate. If I'm having it alongside my food, I use the 2-piece-tent method so that it doesn't moisten. If I'm applying a spread of some sort, especially peanut butter, I wave it around in the air first so that the toast doesn't melt the topping.<br /><br />I don't usually hear "toasted cheese" as a sandwich; it's just grilled cheese whether fried in butter in a pan or grilled in a panini press. Growing up, my mom would make me "cheese toasties", which were what I believe the British would call cheese on toast: cheese put on bread, the whole thing toasted (or broiled?) in the toaster oven. But I think that was just our family's name for them, and we only used "toastie" for cheese; if it was bread+tuna+cheese in the toaster, it was a tuna melt.Lauranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-38353151937156582272015-05-16T12:41:56.310+01:002015-05-16T12:41:56.310+01:00Those who read Victorian (and possibly later) fict...Those who read Victorian (and possibly later) fiction and/or social history may well have encountered what has always seemed to me the acme of vileness: toast and water. It seems to have been used for invalids. A link to Francatelli's Cook's Guide & Housekeeper's & Butler's Assistant is here: http://www.thecooksguide.com/chapter34/toast-and-water.htmlUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14067650959072864705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-59206489301093240632014-05-28T17:57:47.913+01:002014-05-28T17:57:47.913+01:00For more on the reversibility of irreversible bino...For more on the reversibility of irreversible binomials, see the old man sitting next to Billy Joel at 9:00 on a Saturday.Tednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-27452455104831304852014-05-28T15:51:17.970+01:002014-05-28T15:51:17.970+01:00Correction
Moreover, the great (or crumpet etc) ...Correction <br /><br /><i>Moreover, the great (or crumpet etc) was in a position...</i><br /><br />My spellcheck strikes again! Make that<br /><br /><i>Moreover, the <b>bread</b> (or crumpet etc) was in a position...</i>David Crosbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01858358459416955921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-64622520986463564692014-05-28T15:41:57.941+01:002014-05-28T15:41:57.941+01:00The association of toast with warmth arose in a te...The association of toast with warmth arose in a technologically different era when each consumer created each piece of toast with a <b>toasting fork</b>. The toast (or crumpet or whatever) went straight to the plate with no time to get either cold or soggy.<br /><br />Moreover, the great (or crumpet etc) was in a position that we could empathise with — almost. It was at rest in front of an attractive open fire. OK we would choose to be quite so close, but in principle it was sort-of where we liked to be.David Crosbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01858358459416955921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-27409477377135948152014-05-28T15:28:00.417+01:002014-05-28T15:28:00.417+01:00If you listen to Billy Bennet's monologue '...If you listen to <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmO_Yka9jtE" rel="nofollow">Billy Bennet's monologue 'Mandalay'</a>, you'll hear<br /><br /><i>There's a farm on the horizon, looking eastward to Siam,<br />We could have some ham and eggs there, if they had some eggs and ham</i>David Crosbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01858358459416955921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-66723541232746816592014-05-02T14:23:44.591+01:002014-05-02T14:23:44.591+01:00I haven't heard the term 'irreversible bin...I haven't heard the term 'irreversible binomial' before, but I do like it and have always been aware of the concept. Since my second child was born in 2000, I've always made a conscious effort to vary the order in which I refer to both children, except when I call them 'Thing One' and 'Thing Two', when chronology rules.<br /><br />I'm BrE and I've heard 'toasty' as an adult, by other adults talking to children, and I consider it twee - not as twee as 'shoppe' but I can't imagine my mother ever using the term.TalyaBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08719133321195953786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-394962309836927052012-09-24T03:55:16.473+01:002012-09-24T03:55:16.473+01:00As an American I don't worry about toast sweat...As an American I don't worry about toast sweat and don't like cold toast, but I'll go even further and say that bread should be buttered <i>before</i> it's toasted for maximum deliciousness.<br /><br />In fact, to make cinnamon toast (do they eat that in Britain?), I like to soften butter for about 10 seconds in the microwave, then mix it with sugar and cinnamon and then spread it over the slices of bread and <i>then</i> put the buttered bread in my toaster oven (that wouldn't work in a traditional toaster, which is why I don't have one). Absolutely scrumptious!David Laurihttp://www.davidlauri.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-38368845523361858112010-02-26T03:46:24.216+00:002010-02-26T03:46:24.216+00:00Aca un sanwiches de jamon y queso tostado se pide ...Aca un sanwiches de jamon y queso tostado se pide como tostado.juliohttp://www.debatepopular.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-51585178397132644312008-08-17T12:44:00.000+01:002008-08-17T12:44:00.000+01:00Way too late to the party as usual, but if you can...Way too late to the party as usual, but if you can't eat your toast straight from the toaster (and I agree it's the best way) then take it out of the toaster and crush it lightly (oxymoron?) with the palm of your hand so the steam escapes before stacking it up. <BR/><BR/>We have a toast rack and yes, it was a wedding gift (I'm trying to think now who gave it to us who clearly didn't like us that much!) which we use for storing letters and documents we need to get our hands on quickly. As far as I'm concerned, that's the only use for them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-43704853365683180512008-05-12T10:05:00.000+01:002008-05-12T10:05:00.000+01:00Thanks for that, but tea bar is still a new term t...Thanks for that, but tea bar is still a new term to me<BR/><BR/>We have the same on our campus, but they get called cafe bars mostly.pandophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12499439566627693699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-58771339689566578442008-05-07T19:56:00.000+01:002008-05-07T19:56:00.000+01:00Tea bar and cafe are not synonyms--as the 'or' the...<B>Tea bar</B> and <B>cafe</B> are not synonyms--as the 'or' there was meant to indicate. We have tea bars at the university, little places in each building where one can buy a tea or a sandwich, etc. (The whole having-a-place-to-buy-tea-in-just-about-every-building thing is very UK university to me.)<BR/><BR/>It is in the OED:<BR/>'tea bar, a bar (BAR n.1 28) at which tea is sold as a beverage'<BR/><BR/>1952 Times 12 Nov. 3/2 *Tea bars are increasing. 1976 Lancs. Evening Post 7 Dec. 2/2 Mrs. Alice Durdle serves tea to the over 60s at the Lilian Wood Memorial Centre tea bar in Market Street, Preston.lynneguisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10171345732985610861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-73029384408435056922008-05-07T19:40:00.000+01:002008-05-07T19:40:00.000+01:00Leaving aside the whole toasty debate, I have neve...Leaving aside the whole toasty debate, I have never heard a cafe called a 'tea bar' - and I have lived in the UK all my life!pandophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12499439566627693699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-8151392441402211932008-05-01T06:15:00.000+01:002008-05-01T06:15:00.000+01:00Now my Mom and I, were both raised in texas and we...Now my Mom and I, were both raised in texas and we went round and round on the toast thing.<BR/><BR/>She grew up eating a type of toast that was cooked either in a skillet or under a broiler. Usually the latter. Bread was put in buttered and broiled. It produced a limp greasy yellow pastry that she adored. I on the other hand, liked it a little, but grew to dislike it greatly.<BR/><BR/>When she was bedridden when I was 5 our neighbor-lady came and brought breakfast on a tray. It was then I had toast with unmelted margarine on it. For years I thought it was the brand of margarine I prefered. <BR/>No. It's the unmelted state. So call me wierd. My husband does, when I take the toast out of the toaster and wave it around. I like it slightly warm, but not warm enough to melt the butter (i use butter now thank you)<BR/><BR/>this has been a most entertaining thread.<BR/><BR/>nuffsed<BR/>53Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12227111456369036222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-28146756717662212322008-04-29T20:00:00.000+01:002008-04-29T20:00:00.000+01:00Actually, there IS no good way to store toast. The...Actually, there IS no good way to store toast. The toast rack is evil, and slightly steam toast looses the crunch that so beautifully offsets the softness of the warm interior.<BR/><BR/>All toast should be eaten while standing over the toaster, immediately after buttering, which should be done w/ room temperature butter immediately after the toast pops out.<BR/><BR/>Oh, and a grilled cheese sandwich is properly made on a <B>griddle</B> . (I can't believe the Texan in the crowd didn't spot that.)<BR/><BR/>http://www.apptrav.com/lodge-reversible-grill-griddle.jpg<BR/><BR/>The two-burner cast-iron griddle is my favorite for home use (it conveniently reverses to a grill), but there are other styles.<BR/><BR/>http://www.waterproducts.ca/images/Waterless_cookware_CL_Griddle_lg.jpg<BR/><BR/>The commercial kind often sits side-by-side w/ a grill.<BR/>http://www.made-in-china.com/image/2f0j00bvCtcPrBaaVLM/Griddle-and-Grill-NGH-822-.jpgTootsNYChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08250160403913606481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-51969308117060898602008-04-29T00:32:00.000+01:002008-04-29T00:32:00.000+01:00I'm from New Jersey originally, but I've been livi...I'm from New Jersey originally, but I've been living in NYC for almost thirty years now. Of course there are a lot of Floridians in NYC and vice versa -- indeed, my wife moved to Florida from North Carolina at age 18, met a lot of people she really liked, and followed their spoor to NYC, where she's lived ever since.<BR/><BR/>I use <I>pressed sandwich</I> to cover both Cuban sandwiches and paninis.John Cowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11452247999156925669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-32901016727360006052008-04-28T12:31:00.000+01:002008-04-28T12:31:00.000+01:00I don't think I'm qualified to compare Chinese foo...I don't think I'm qualified to compare Chinese food. (I did read an excerpt from <A HREF="http://www.fortunecookiechronicles.com/" REL="nofollow">a new book comparing US Chinese and Chinese-Chinese food</A>, though.) Perhaps one of the food bloggers reading this could do the job?<BR/><BR/>One thing I never got used to in South African Chinese food (SA has a reasonably-sized Chinese population) was the gherkins--in everything.lynneguisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10171345732985610861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-36591347686772327922008-04-28T12:02:00.000+01:002008-04-28T12:02:00.000+01:00"A Brown sauce usually comes with Beef & Broccoli...."A Brown sauce usually comes with Beef & Broccoli. It is sort of a thickened Au Jus, few to no spices at all.<BR/>A White Sauce is similar, but with Chicken. It would be in a Moo Goo Gai Pan (Chicken with Vegetables) and is similar to a thick chicken stock, but does not really have a "chickeny" flavor to it. Again, with very little, if any, spice."<BR/><BR/>Clearly there are big differences between American Chinese food and British Chinese food (maybe worth a post, Lynne?). I only rarely eat Chinese food when I'm in the States, and then it tends to be dim sum. But I eat it a lot in the UK and have never come across either of these. The most common sauces in the UK are black bean, sweet and sour, oyster and Kung Po.Ginger Yellowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06103410278129312943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-41886366243967055432008-04-28T10:55:00.000+01:002008-04-28T10:55:00.000+01:00I'm from the northeast too, and toasted cheese is ...I'm from the northeast too, and <I>toasted cheese</I> is what we ate during Lent. No relation to a panini--it's the less glamorous way of making a sandwich (in the oven). I think it's dying out because most people make grilled cheese now...lynneguisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10171345732985610861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-64004529011167058972008-04-28T00:47:00.000+01:002008-04-28T00:47:00.000+01:00I'm in the Northeastern US (nyc) and I'll second A...I'm in the Northeastern US (nyc) and I'll second Anonymous, the western American speaker, that I've never heard <I>toasted sandwich</I>. They are commonly called <I>panini</I> in these parts. (And to the consternation of Italian speakers, panini refers to just one. The plural is <I>paninis</I>.) I don't know what these things were called before the fairly recent arrival of panini--I think they didn't really exist around here. <I>Pressed sandwich</I> is something I've never seen in this area. It sounds like a AmE regionalism to me, like <I> Cuban sandwich</I>, which I believe is primarily (and expectedly) from Florida.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-39873738279179138972008-04-25T23:57:00.000+01:002008-04-25T23:57:00.000+01:00LOL!Truly excellent suggestions, Doug!LOL!<BR/><BR/>Truly excellent suggestions, Doug!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com