tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post114865745760676086..comments2024-03-16T00:21:43.240+00:00Comments on Separated by a Common Language: roiling and broilinglynneguisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10171345732985610861noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-64948583145975694012023-12-09T02:34:51.295+00:002023-12-09T02:34:51.295+00:00My mother was Irish and said roiling boil.My mother was Irish and said roiling boil.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-11375932899116604562021-05-29T03:28:00.414+01:002021-05-29T03:28:00.414+01:00Scotch-irish background but grew up in canada. Alw...Scotch-irish background but grew up in canada. Always heard roiling boil from the family but my wife uses rolling boil. English is an evolutive language so both are equally right it seemsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-10728194531359184932020-08-09T16:36:33.496+01:002020-08-09T16:36:33.496+01:00BrE. The term rolling boil is very common in the c...BrE. The term rolling boil is very common in the chemistry literature, particularly in papers dealing with synthetic chemistry. It used to be common (and perhaps still us) to use glass “boiling beads” to suppress over-violent roiling.Shy-replyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01891566073375322808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-60337538764076441752018-12-07T22:47:05.570+00:002018-12-07T22:47:05.570+00:00Heard and used "roiling boil" (TX+AR) al...Heard and used "roiling boil" (TX+AR) all my life (several decades so far). Came across "rolling boil" for the very first time today and assumed it was some sort of eggcorn. I've heard of both rolling waves and roiling seas, so assumed the one referring to bubbling (roiling) was appropriate for boiling water.<br /><br />I've never considered the origins of broil (where very high heat comes from above), but it is certainly used apart from grill (where the heat, usually flame, comes from below) in the United States.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357667655197251156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-21322683301220731462017-06-24T17:31:58.507+01:002017-06-24T17:31:58.507+01:00I'm a Midwesterner and have ALWAYS used roilin...I'm a Midwesterner and have ALWAYS used roiling boil (as did my family)and am on this site to satisfy my frustration with those who do not! aarrgghh!ed hobbsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-23679198736934799052017-03-12T16:54:47.854+00:002017-03-12T16:54:47.854+00:00And I am with my fellow Kentish Man (or perhaps Ma...And I am with my fellow Kentish Man (or perhaps Man of Kent) Adam Sampson -- for me, "rolling boil" is the norm, and "roiling boil" something of which I have never heard but which I would assume to be a fanciful creation or a Malapropism. "Broil", for me, is a pure Americanism, to be replaced with "grill" (as in "from above", and therefore the opposite of "[to] barbecue") in British English.Chaa006https://www.blogger.com/profile/00007714578401273047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-85958316526676479312017-03-12T13:45:12.507+00:002017-03-12T13:45:12.507+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Chaa006https://www.blogger.com/profile/00007714578401273047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-37645141696814386402010-12-12T01:06:26.359+00:002010-12-12T01:06:26.359+00:00@John Cowan - I would disagree that BrE has lost t...@John Cowan - I would disagree that BrE has lost the word 'broil' - it does seem to be becoming less common tho. In my family (BrE) we have always distinguished between 'grill' and 'broil' tho - a grill was a barbeque and one to grill something was to cook it on a rack with heat from below, whereas a broiler is part of a cooker (US stove), and cooks things using heat from above.<br /><br />(And I also go with 'rolling boil')ellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13036209994244477176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-80401049739685259302010-12-12T00:27:16.162+00:002010-12-12T00:27:16.162+00:00Visiting years later, as this post has just been r...Visiting years later, as this post has just been revived via Twitter...Put me down for "rolling boil" as well (Californian parents, raised in the south and midwest), but I've certainly heard "roil" in other contexts--usually related to the sea.<br /><br />John Cowan's historical note is interesting.Clarissa at Talk to the Cloudshttp://www.talktotheclouds.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-66580261681939421322007-01-03T19:57:00.000+00:002007-01-03T19:57:00.000+00:00Have the British really lost the verb broil? I'm ...Have the British really lost the verb <i>broil</i>? I'm amazed. Just 150 years ago, Lewis Carroll defined his word <i>brillig</i> in "Jabberwocky" as "four o'clock in the afternoon -- the time when you begin <i>broiling</i> things for dinner."<br /><br />On the other hand, that sense of <i>dinner</i> probably sounds quite American now outside formal contexts, eh?John Cowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11452247999156925669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-16106517098852340512006-12-04T05:24:00.000+00:002006-12-04T05:24:00.000+00:00Seconding (thirding, etc) 'rolling boil,' but I wo...Seconding (thirding, etc) 'rolling boil,' but I would also note that my family has two useful terms for two stages before that:<br /><br />** 'thinking about boiling' -- when you can see lots of tiny bubbles stuck to the sides and bottom, but it's not actually boiling yet<br /><br /><br />** 'talking about boiling' -- visually very similar to last stage, but you can hear a rustly/ticking noise that implies it's about to start boiling anytime, really, once it gets around to it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-87562438666026215912006-11-16T14:35:00.000+00:002006-11-16T14:35:00.000+00:00I've never heard "full boil" (Kent, UK) -- I've al...I've never heard "full boil" (Kent, UK) -- I've always used "rolling boil".<br /><br />The OED has "rolling boil" as a phrase, and gives "Heaving, surging, swelling" as one meaning of "rolling"; it doesn't mention "roiling boil", but it does give "peturb, disquiet, disorder" to "move in a confused or turbulent manner" as US dialect meanings of "roil".<br /><br />I'd guess "rolling boil" is the earlier meaning, and "roiling boil" came around through influences from similar meanings of "broil" and "roil".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-1159887965648646172006-10-03T16:06:00.000+01:002006-10-03T16:06:00.000+01:00My wife(TX+KS) points out that "rile" -- which we...<A HREF="http://sarabrumfield.blogspot.com/" REL="nofollow">My wife</A>(TX+KS) points out that "rile" -- which we are familiar with -- derives from "roil", which we'd never heard. She wonders whether "roil" in the sense of stir has become obsolete.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-1159843258053219502006-10-03T03:40:00.000+01:002006-10-03T03:40:00.000+01:00I suspect that "roiling" may be a portmanteau of "...I suspect that "roiling" may be a portmanteau of "rolling" and "boiling", as I've never heard it (TX+VA) despiting having heard "roil" == "rile".<BR/><BR/>Broil derives from French "brûle", which is itself a portmanteau of a Frankish word meaning "burn" (probably <I>brennjan</I>) and native Latin <I>usuler</I>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-1159835698913619602006-10-03T01:34:00.000+01:002006-10-03T01:34:00.000+01:00"roiling boil" = 10.1 k Ghits"rolling boil" = 320 ..."roiling boil" = 10.1 k Ghits<BR/><BR/>"rolling boil" = 320 k Ghits<BR/><BR/>I've always heard it as "rolling boil" as well. (AmE, mostly West and Midwest)Doug Sundsethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01848091504066560951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-1149696371624678952006-06-07T17:06:00.000+01:002006-06-07T17:06:00.000+01:00I wonder if one of these is earlier and the other ...I wonder if one of these is earlier and the other a <A HREF="http://www.answers.com/topic/folk-etymology" REL="nofollow">folk etymology</A>?lynneguisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10171345732985610861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-1149565160511257652006-06-06T04:39:00.000+01:002006-06-06T04:39:00.000+01:00I'm not unfamiliar with the term "roiling boil", b...I'm not unfamiliar with the term "roiling boil", but I grew up calling it a "rolling boil".Annahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08777614329042982190noreply@blogger.com