tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post115065940034671923..comments2024-03-16T00:21:43.240+00:00Comments on Separated by a Common Language: Welsh dresser, hutch, counter and sidelynneguisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10171345732985610861noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-70933892880774760542019-02-12T23:56:51.957+00:002019-02-12T23:56:51.957+00:00It's called a Chifferobe if it has a section t...It's called a Chifferobe if it has a section that pulls out frf hanging clothes. Very popular at the turn of the 20th century. Often had a nirrmi on the long door. Serendipityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09310823362162151124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-4264583713340537182018-10-18T03:51:56.178+01:002018-10-18T03:51:56.178+01:00It's intetesting that "hutch" is the...It's intetesting that "hutch" is the top part. I grew up in New England (with parents from Texas), and we had a cupboard/cabinet type piece of furniture (no shelves on top. That's where we put our stereo) in the living room growing up that we kept our movies/VHS tapes in that we called a "hutch".Hayleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02634214802522519368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-68078706091563886082017-10-25T03:09:49.336+01:002017-10-25T03:09:49.336+01:00Interestingly: in the US, a room without a closet ...Interestingly: in the US, a room without a closet (built in) can not be called a bedroom. It is a real estate rule/building code thing. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00888871914445092770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-26371246833200907172015-05-20T15:08:36.546+01:002015-05-20T15:08:36.546+01:00An old post, but I only just found it. Worktops/co...An old post, but I only just found it. Worktops/counters are not really called 'the side' in the UK. That's very much regional dialect. We call them counters, worktops, work surfaces. <br /><br />I agree that breakfast bar is a distinct part of furniture (a highcounter with bar stools) in the kitchen and is not a common term for a worktop. <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03785311346912117867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-91105696889416216302014-03-30T15:34:33.641+01:002014-03-30T15:34:33.641+01:00The OED defines a Welsh dresser as
a type of dre...The OED defines a <b>Welsh dresser</b> as <br /><br /><i>a type of dresser consisting of a cabinet of cupboards and drawers surmounted by rows of shelves, on which plates, dishes, and kitchen utensils are ranged.</i><br /><br />and a <b>sideboard</b> as (among other things)<br /><br /><i>A piece of dining-room furniture for holding side-dishes, wine, plate, etc., and often having cupboards and drawers.</i><br /><br />This tallies with my experience of the words. A <b>sideboard</b> isn't found in a kitchen and doesn't necessarily have drawers and cupboards. A <b>Welsh dresser</b> is typically found in a kitchen (or looks as if it's been transported from a kitchen), and the shelves are used to give high visibility — either for display or for ease of access. Welsh dressers I have known had grooves in the shelves so that you could stand plates upright.David Crosbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01858358459416955921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-66262487306779969122011-06-01T03:02:05.740+01:002011-06-01T03:02:05.740+01:00When I was young we called that thing "the bu...When I was young we called that thing "the buffet", but our family had an individual term for very nearly every piece of furniture in the house. No two sets of drawer-containing furniture shared a name, and many of them I've never heard anybody else use. So I don't know where that term came from and if it's at all widespread.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-31228855841788459372010-08-28T00:49:45.920+01:002010-08-28T00:49:45.920+01:00To me, a hutch is the top part of a two-piece set;...To me, a hutch is the top part of a two-piece set; china cabinets have glass; and Hoosiers were used in the kitchen!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-54909941981216189882010-08-28T00:29:05.358+01:002010-08-28T00:29:05.358+01:00My Midwestern raised mother and grandmothers calle...My Midwestern raised mother and grandmothers called it a Buffet and used it as such. Dishes were placed in the hutch part, with silver, cups, and napkins on the left. Food was then placed on it where people could help themselves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-2197988449194185152009-10-14T01:18:48.137+01:002009-10-14T01:18:48.137+01:00@Harry
Well, it does mean that if people use it t...@Harry<br /><br />Well, it <i>does</i> mean that if people use it to mean that, and I've found it used pretty commonly in S.Eng in fairly small kitchens. It might not fit your experience, but I've heard it used by enough people that it isn't personal idiosyncrasy.<br /><br />Specifically referring to built-in counters, which every modern kitchen I've seen has (even in a 2-up, 2-down Victorian terrace rented cheaply in Manchester).<br /><br />Sometimes shortened to 'bar'. Up north, I've heard 'side' more.Pookynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-57574109021080105482009-09-12T07:31:28.352+01:002009-09-12T07:31:28.352+01:00Well, I'm Welsh so I do call it a welsh dresse...Well, I'm Welsh so I do call it a welsh dresser, though the other word I would use is sideboard.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05952564820382472228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-17618086054131646782009-09-11T01:01:49.366+01:002009-09-11T01:01:49.366+01:00That sounds like a personal idiosyncrasy. A breakf...That sounds like a personal idiosyncrasy. A breakfast bar is a sort of counter or freestanding (permanent) unit at which you can eat an informal meal. A few (relatively large, luxurious) kitchens have then but I don't think they're all that common (in the UK). It doesn't just mean any worktop or counter surface anywhere in the kitchen.Harry Campbellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01675794936870568336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-44415000819022439382009-09-11T00:51:50.538+01:002009-09-11T00:51:50.538+01:00Following the link from your more recent post, I n...Following the link from your more recent post, I note the lack of comments in these early days meant nobody pointed to a more specific British English term for the work surfaces in a kitchen:<br /><br />Breakfast bars<br /><br />I'm not entirely sure why this should be, although the mind can construct all sorts of lovely reasons, but that's what I've always know those built-in surfaces as.<br /><br />E.g. "I left your lunch on the breakfast bar."<br /><br />"Where are the plates?" "On the breakfast bar."<br /><br />"My last house had a lovely red Formica breakfast bar."Pookynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-13910262088923943282009-09-10T16:35:20.967+01:002009-09-10T16:35:20.967+01:00I was directed back to this post by the September ...I was directed back to this post by the September 2009 discussion of closets and cupboards - Lynne, it seems to me that the top half of this dresser, where one might usualy find a nice display of plates and other vessels, is literally a cup-board! The lower half, with its work surface, is actually a rustic side-board, I agree. I have heard of small animals (chickens, rabbits, baby lambs) being kept in the lower half, with a slatted door to allow air in. That would really make it a hutch!biochemistnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-56572285450035031322009-09-08T21:55:42.039+01:002009-09-08T21:55:42.039+01:00I'd call the whole thing in the picture a side...I'd call the whole thing in the picture a sideboard. Without the top part I wouldn't call it a sideboard but I'm not sure what I would call it - maybe a cupboard, but that wouldn't seem right if there were separate compartments or drawers.<br /><br />I grew up in southern England and Zambia, but maybe my usage of 'sideboard' is idiosyncratic to my family - almost everything that comes up in a Google image search for 'sideboard' is a lower unit with a large flat surface on top.<br /><br />I've never heard the term 'Welsh dresser'. For me a dresser suggests a smaller unit with a mirror above it, usually found in a bedroom.Andy Smithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-79384628054891698372009-09-07T18:49:43.692+01:002009-09-07T18:49:43.692+01:00For what it's worth, I don't agree that ca...For what it's worth, I don't agree that cabinets are free-standing in BrE. The images that spring to my mind are of built-in, possibly purpose-built containers for some specialist purpose, technical things like the cases for computer servers or audio equipment or bottles of chemicals in a laboratory. Unless possibly we're talking expensive antique furniture, but even then it's mainly in the term cabinet-maker.Harry Campbellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01675794936870568336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-59716440235680689842009-09-06T23:11:04.206+01:002009-09-06T23:11:04.206+01:00Hmm. When I was growing up (in upstate NY), I was ...Hmm. When I was growing up (in upstate NY), I was confused about the terms "dresser" vs. "chest of drawers". I was told that a dresser was lower, longer, and usually had a mirror attached above it, while a chest of drawers was taller and narrower. That may have been just my familiolect, though.Rick Snoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-49534111938049888342009-09-06T16:01:08.227+01:002009-09-06T16:01:08.227+01:00Actually, if I remember properly, the tiny, tract ...Actually, if I remember properly, the tiny, tract house I grew up in, in Detroit, didn't have any built in closets. There was space under the eaves in one room that had a door.<br /><br />I had what my mother called a dresser, it had drawers on one side, and a larger area at the side with a door, where children's size clothes could hang from a rod. Without that more open side, I think we'd have called it a chest of drawers. Of course now, there are all kinds of terms used by furniture sellers that have little to do with what most people would call something. <br /><br />Our tall, narrow chests of drawers are called lingerie chests, but I've also heard it called a tall boy. <br />Photo here - http://onewordisenough.blogspot.com/2009/09/furniture.htmlZhoenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03515663141425057088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-91405081652739217392009-04-16T19:15:00.000+01:002009-04-16T19:15:00.000+01:00my brain says: cabinet is 'closed storage' eg. gla...my brain says: cabinet is 'closed storage' eg. glazed shelves or drawered unit.<br /><br />for me the appearance of 'dresser' in the bedroom is more linked to 'dressing table' (mirror-topped with drawers left and right) than 'chest of drawers' <br /><br />This is all too reminiscent of my semantics paper in linguistics ... kitchen utensils ... hell on earth!!Brighton Breezy Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15811676205434617965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-1159533908945060622006-09-29T13:45:00.000+01:002006-09-29T13:45:00.000+01:00This piece of furniture would invariably just be c...This piece of furniture would invariably just be called a dresser in Ireland, and would have been part of the traditional kitchen furniture and almost always used to store/display dishes - <A HREF="http://www.bartleby.com/103/120.html" REL="nofollow">"A dresser filled with shining delph"</A>. We also have presses here instead of cupboards, don't know if any British dialects have the same.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-1151136204631708432006-06-24T09:03:00.000+01:002006-06-24T09:03:00.000+01:00All of the (non-human) secretaries that I found in...All of the (non-human) <I>secretaries</I> that I found in searching Google Image are for writing on, although this one has some resemblance to a hutch:<BR/>http://www.museum.state.il.us/exhibits/athome/1850/objects/secretary.htm<BR/><BR/>The rest are fold-out or roll-top desks. <BR/><BR/><I>Hutch</I> is used for shelving units on the tops of desks, too, as my troll through furniture sites taught me. Most of the ones I saw I would've called <I>computer desks</I>.lynneguisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10171345732985610861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-1151133989961503942006-06-24T08:26:00.000+01:002006-06-24T08:26:00.000+01:00My (American) parents have a piece of furniture in...My (American) parents have a piece of furniture in their dining room very similar to the one you bought, and they have always called it a <B>secretary</B>, even though they don't use it to write on. Maybe they're just weird.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17198310727349521010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-1150985224516256002006-06-22T15:07:00.000+01:002006-06-22T15:07:00.000+01:00Lynn, you are correct. I wouldn't call that a Hoo...Lynn, you are correct. I wouldn't call that a Hoosier Kitchen, either. The term is often used as a generic name, like Kleenex, but it is actually a specific product made by the Hoosier Manufacturing Company of Indiana.<BR/><BR/>A true Hoosier Kitchen would have been more than just shelves and drawers. It would have included tip-out bins for grains, potatoes, etc., a built-in flour sifter, and maybe a pull-out cutting board, as well as a built-in work surface.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-1150915917842873982006-06-21T19:51:00.000+01:002006-06-21T19:51:00.000+01:00The BrE equivalent of AmE dresser is chest of draw...The BrE equivalent of AmE <I>dresser</I> is <B>chest of drawers</B>. I've not had one in my bedroom since moving to the UK, as I put clothes in a wardrobe instead. One almost never sees wardrobes in the US. When Americans complain to me about the lack of (walk-in) closet space in their homes, I try to put it into perspective: I have zero closets. They're very rare in these parts. I can't think of anyone I know who has a (walk-in) closet for clothes. <BR/><BR/>The things called <B>closet</B> in AmE are very often called <B>cupboard</B> in BrE. For example: US <B>broom closet</B>, UK <B>broom cupboard</B>.lynneguisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10171345732985610861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-1150880170152834742006-06-21T09:56:00.000+01:002006-06-21T09:56:00.000+01:00Your comment about a 'dresser' being in a bedroom ...Your comment about a 'dresser' being in a bedroom caught my eye - as a young teenager I remember reading Sweet Valley High/Babysitter's Club books, and the like, and being confused when girls put something 'on their dresser' or did their make up 'at the dresser'... My thought being 'Why on earth do they have a kitchen cabinet in their bedroom?'Rebeccahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15114191808501237357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-1150805637198629282006-06-20T13:13:00.000+01:002006-06-20T13:13:00.000+01:00If it's got glass doors, then I'd call it a china ...If it's got glass doors, then I'd call it a <B>china cabinet</B>, though a china cabinet doesn't necessarily have a dresser at the bottom.<BR/><BR/>There's a famous series of psycholinguistic experiments (by Eleanor Rosch), where people are asked to name kinds of furniture (among other things). Bed, table and chair are among just about everyone's top five--which is supposed to demonstrate that we organi{s/z}e categories around central exemplars. Hutch, buffet, china cabinet, Welsh dresser, and sideboard come nowhere near the top of the list--but perhaps that's because we're all calling them different things!lynneguisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10171345732985610861noreply@blogger.com