tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post6985871355377957191..comments2024-03-16T00:21:43.240+00:00Comments on Separated by a Common Language: hairy subjects, part 1: hairdoslynneguisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10171345732985610861noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-497332046851780032021-03-02T04:23:05.383+00:002021-03-02T04:23:05.383+00:00a bit late but the poem was by William Makepeace T...a bit late but the poem was by William Makepeace Thackeray, called a Tragic StoryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-42790475911729418382019-04-17T10:56:51.762+01:002019-04-17T10:56:51.762+01:00Does anyone else recall the poem about the “sage i...Does anyone else recall the poem about the “sage in days of yore” whose pigtail hung behind him, no matter how he tried to get it in front?<br />Shy-replyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01891566073375322808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-25715245167479430662014-03-04T23:26:08.390+00:002014-03-04T23:26:08.390+00:00I disagree with the Anonymous post that Canadian p...I disagree with the Anonymous post that Canadian pigtails are braided. Perhaps in that posters family or particular locality, but not everywhere. Everyone I know would use the standard definitions already mentioned.<br /><br />Ponytail: 1 bunch at the back (or a "side ponytail" or "top ponytail" if it were an '80s party!)<br />Pigtails: 1 (or, uncommonly, more) bunch on either (or each, for those who hate "either") side of the head. If they were braided, I'd either call them pigtails or braided pigtails to be more specific.<br /><br />Question: Does BrE use "cornrows"? Cornrows=AmE/CanE for the multiple rows of French braids (commonly seen on black males -- or, in the 90s/2000s on teenage girls, often decorated with beads à la Bo Derek)Canadian Commentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-22829928073751929732012-11-14T00:53:16.194+00:002012-11-14T00:53:16.194+00:00Just to add, Kent English raised in the 90/00s
On...Just to add, Kent English raised in the 90/00s<br /><br />One 'tail' of hair- a ponytail. I can't think of any other name for it. <br /><br />Braid that starts level with the middle of the ears- plait.<br /><br />Braid that starts at the top of the ears- French plait. <br /><br />Bunches- one 'tail' on either side of the head, always unplaited.<br /><br />Pigtails- Plaited bunches. <br /><br /><br />In British English, braids are a whole thing of their own. They tend to either resemble cornrows (a hairstyle typical among black people, but common on chavvy white girls), or they have string woven into them. Bane of foreign holidays- in any tourist resort where Brits visit often, you'll find people who do 'braids', both string and plaited version. Little girls love them, but the string ones are a nightmare because you have to cut them out at the root. And the cornrow plaited styles expose massive gaps of shocking white scalp so they don't really look that good either.Jaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-24609781565417764562011-09-29T10:48:26.119+01:002011-09-29T10:48:26.119+01:00(AmE) there are many words for a braid/plaite wher...(AmE) there are many words for a braid/plaite where you encorporate hair as you go: <br /><br />Two strands, flat is a herringbone <br /><br />I don't have a term for two strands, rolled (usually a braid that snakes around ones head) but I would probably call it a french rope, as a twisted plaite would be a rope not a braid. <br /><br />A flat three-strand braid is the french braid with which most of you are familiar but if you braid the other way, with the outer strands crossing under the middle strand you get a raised braid, known as a Dutch braid. <br /><br />Again, from there I don't have specific terms and would describe plaites as "a four/five/six-strand flat/square braid"Jennahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03685928885573020986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-73103646746110898502011-07-21T21:55:38.847+01:002011-07-21T21:55:38.847+01:00I grew up in West Texas, and I remember hearing &q...I grew up in West Texas, and I remember hearing "plait" - always pronounced like "flat" - quite often from the older, more rustic locals and from my father, a Virginian. I've always associated that word with the rural American South.Alexandranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-55910759280114938782011-07-21T11:35:39.405+01:002011-07-21T11:35:39.405+01:00I'm no expert on hairstyles, but if the hair c...I'm no expert on hairstyles, but if the hair coming down the forehead is so long it has to be swept to one side, it surely can't be called a fringe. The point about a fringe (which seems to be the same thing as bangs) is that the hair hangs straight down the forehead and ends there, normally no lower than the eyebrows in the interests of being able to see where you're going -- creating a kind of, well, fringe. Just like any other kind of fringe, ie some strands with their ends lined up. Maybe in specialist hairdresser lingo they give the terms a different meaning but in everyday parlance it sounds to me as if fringe and bangs are exactly the same.Harry Campbellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01675794936870568336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-83767066262211981062011-07-21T03:39:54.428+01:002011-07-21T03:39:54.428+01:00Am/Can/E, I used pigtails and ponytails interchang...Am/Can/E, I used pigtails and ponytails interchangeably, for braided or just tied hanks of hair. No, I never heard bunches in my life, in my ears that would imply a bit of a mess. Pigtails might imply a shorter hank of hair, if anything different. <br /><br />I read in one of the Little House books, by Laura Ingalls Wilder, when she wanted bangs, her parents called the style a Lunatic Fringe. <br /><br />And They Might Be Giants have a song about Bangs.<br />http://youtu.be/AR5mgcRyv2wZhoenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03515663141425057088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-72382811795313891712011-07-21T03:16:47.768+01:002011-07-21T03:16:47.768+01:00http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR5mgcRyv2w
Bangs,...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR5mgcRyv2w<br /><br />Bangs, by They Might Be Giants. Just sayin'.Zhoenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03515663141425057088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-3498818021548866112008-02-17T04:54:00.000+00:002008-02-17T04:54:00.000+00:00Here is an amusing discussion of bangs/fringe (and...<A HREF="http://www.piratr.com/action/viewvideo/2327/communication_barrier/" REL="nofollow">Here</A> is an amusing discussion of bangs/fringe (and a few other such terms) from a clever young Australian video blogger. A high percentage of her viewers are American, so she is explaining Australian slang (which apparently overlaps significantly with its British counterpart) to them. <BR/>If you're easily offended, you should skip this one, but most people will enjoy it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-70146974638264118352007-02-18T09:28:00.000+00:002007-02-18T09:28:00.000+00:00Probably a bit of folk etymology here, but I had a...Probably a bit of folk etymology here, but I had always imagined that the Mohican haircut in Britain had something to do with the BBC dramatisation of The Last of the Mohicans in 1971. It would have been repeated either the following year or the year after, so could have been in the memories of the 'early adopters'. Interestingly, IIRC, Philip Madoc who played Magua was the only character who actually had a Mohican.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-56073072591587983342007-02-14T23:28:00.000+00:002007-02-14T23:28:00.000+00:00In my part of Canada (Alberta), ponytail is used f...In my part of Canada (Alberta), <I>ponytail</I> is used for one bundle of hair, and <I>pigtails</I> is used for two or more. I have heard pigtails for multiple braids once or twice, but it's not common here, and people usually have to explain that they mean two braids.<BR/><BR/>A braid that begins higher up close to the head and gathering in more hair as it progresses is called a French braid.<BR/><BR/>I know the word <I>plait</I> from my British grandmothers and various British children's books, but it's not something I'd expect an Albertan to say.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00158600227727226651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-17267017242037631072007-02-14T19:35:00.000+00:002007-02-14T19:35:00.000+00:00I only call it a ponytail if all the hair's in one...I only call it a ponytail if all the hair's in one bunch. If it's two bunches, it's pigtails. More than two has to be specially remarked, with something like "She had her hair in four pigtails".<BR/><BR/>Pigtails can be plaited/braided, but if they're longer than about shoulder-length I'd be more likely to call them "braids".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-59270597106888991482007-02-11T22:30:00.000+00:002007-02-11T22:30:00.000+00:00"The River-Merchant's Wife: A Letter" by Ezra Poun..."The River-Merchant's Wife: A Letter" by Ezra Pound starts "While my hair was still cut straight across my forehead..." I've heard (though I can't find the reference right now) that Pound originally wrote something about bangs, was told he needed to say fringe as he was in England, and decided in the end to rephrase it this way to avoid both regional terms.John Lavagninohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06024647121121493938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-32029623913276469322007-02-11T18:15:00.000+00:002007-02-11T18:15:00.000+00:00But pigs' tails aren't braided/plaited, and unbrai...But pigs' tails aren't braided/plaited, and unbraided pigtails can be curly (e.g. Cindy Brady's).<BR/><BR/>To me, pigtails can be braided, but usually aren't. The term is about the placement of the 'tails' not the constitution of them. I just checked Google Images and discovered that if you search images for 'pigtails' hoping to find pictures of hair(-)styles, you <I>really</I> should have 'safe search' on. Once I re-searched that way, it was clear that plenty of people are happy to use <I>pigtail</I> to refer to things that aren't braided. So, we're probably dealing with fairly locali{s/z}ed uses of the word.lynneguisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10171345732985610861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-71797509427682655862007-02-11T14:09:00.000+00:002007-02-11T14:09:00.000+00:00I agree with what anonymous said directly above. ...I agree with what anonymous said directly above. Pigtails refer to braids, because pigs have curly tails, and ponytails refer to hair in an elastic but then left loose, because that is what ponies' tails look like.iaCelestehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09006274911971021307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-40499905242813618412007-02-11T13:54:00.000+00:002007-02-11T13:54:00.000+00:00Hmm, in Canada, pigtails are braids, though usuall...Hmm, in Canada, pigtails are braids, though usually only used when you have one on each side of your head.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-39778285015702546472007-02-10T13:08:00.000+00:002007-02-10T13:08:00.000+00:00I forgot--I meant to mention BrE fringe as a word ...I forgot--I meant to mention BrE <I>fringe</I> as a word meaning 'non-mainstream' in the (performing) arts, as in various <I>Fringe Festivals</I> (i.e. arts festivals 'on the fringe of' major arts festivals, most famously <A HREF="http://www.edfringe.com/" REL="nofollow">Edinburgh's</A>.lynneguisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10171345732985610861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-62353534729003635342007-02-10T03:04:00.000+00:002007-02-10T03:04:00.000+00:00Ally, thanks. I paused for a bit and felt equally ...Ally, thanks. I paused for a bit and felt equally uncomfortable with 'some' and 'a.' See, I'm not a native fringe-speaker. :-)Bridget Samuelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02894455480408955059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-53263459587340251142007-02-08T22:58:00.000+00:002007-02-08T22:58:00.000+00:00Dear lady, I didn't claim it as an Americanism, th...Dear lady, I didn't claim it as an Americanism, though I did protest AGAINST it. I think of it as an Englishism, and can only assume that the good Watty put it in for his English readers.deariemehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06654632450454559188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-86750205525417557832007-02-08T17:05:00.000+00:002007-02-08T17:05:00.000+00:00Troy--you're absolutely right. You could have a f...Troy--you're absolutely right. You could have a fringe without longer hair elsewhere. It's not a typical hair(-)style, but if you had it, you'd have a fringe/some bangs.<BR/><BR/>Dearieme--the <I>either</I> that you are protesting is not an Americanism. Take, for example, this example from Sir Walter Scott's <I>Ivanhoe</I> (via the OED):<BR/><BR/>1820 SCOTT Ivanhoe iii, There was a huge fireplace at either end of the hall.lynneguisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10171345732985610861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-27097459716719628012007-02-08T16:29:00.000+00:002007-02-08T16:29:00.000+00:00"two such bunches on either side": no, no, a thous..."two such bunches on either side": no, no, a thousand times no. Where I come from, that would mean that the two were on the right side or on the left but not on both sides. We'd say "two such bunches on each side". The first time I heard that "either" usage it made no sense to me at all; how could houses be on either side of the road?deariemehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06654632450454559188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-3221228860532423252007-02-08T12:25:00.000+00:002007-02-08T12:25:00.000+00:00Pdm71, what you call a braid is called a French br...Pdm71, what you call a braid is called a French braid in AmE, and what you call a plait is a regular braid. I don't think I've ever in my life heard plait come up in regular conversation - I only learned the word because it was in Roald Dahl's "Matilda" which I read in elementary school.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-17169938588074996492007-02-08T11:36:00.000+00:002007-02-08T11:36:00.000+00:00I don't understand why a fringe must be shorter th...I don't understand why a fringe must be shorter than the rest of the hair. If hair comes down from the forehead and covers the eyes, is that not a fringe, even if the rest of the head is shaved? (I'm from Australia, if that makes any difference)Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17987766296496827368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-6652475134072693982007-02-08T10:22:00.000+00:002007-02-08T10:22:00.000+00:00I always found the term shag, as used to refer to ...I always found the term <I>shag</I>, as used to refer to Jennifer Aniston's famous and much-copied old hairdo, quite amusing. In fact there was a bit in a magazine i read at the time which said something like, 'What not to say to your hunky male hairdresser: "I'd like a shag please" - the shame!!'. Presumably <I>shag</I> was/ is an AmE term in this context. :)<BR/><BR/>Also, re: bridget's post, usually BrE would refer to <I>a</I> fringe, rather than to <I>some</I> fringe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com