In the comments for my last entry, Paul Danon wondered about the names of school years in AmE and how they compare to those in BrE. The Brackley Baptist Church in Northamptonshire has on its website (for some reason!) the following table summari{s/z}ing these differences .
| British stage | British year | Old British system | Year in age | American year |
| Preschool | Children enter Pre-school sometime after they are 2 years and 6 months old. They do not wait until September to start. | | ||
| Keystage 1 | Reception | Rising 5’s | 5th | PK |
| | Year 1 | Infants | 6th | Kindergarten |
| | Year 2 | Top Infants | 7th | 1st |
| Keystage 2 | Year 3 | | 8th | 2nd |
| | Year 4 | | 9th | 3rd |
| | Year 5 | | 10th | 4th |
| | Year 6 | Top Junior | 11th | 5th |
| Keystage 3 | Year 7 | First form | 12th | 6th |
| | Year 8 | Second form | 13th | 7th |
| | Year 9 | Third form | 14th | 8th |
| GCSE 1st | Year 10 | Fourth form | 15th | 9th |
| GCSE 2nd | Year 11 | Fifth form | 16th | 10th |
| A Levels 1st | Year 12 | Lower Sixth form | 17th | 11th |
| A Levels 2nd | Year 13 | Upper Sixth form | 18th | 12th |
This is a great start, but there's room for a lot of clarification (for the Americans reading), and a lot more detail on the American side (for the British people reading). Let's start with some caveats before we get into either too deeply. First, there's a lot of local variation that can't all be covered here. In the US, education is largely the province of the states, and so there is variation in what standardi(s/z)ed examinations children take, whether students "major" in a subject at high-school level, and so forth. At the local level, the shapes of schools can vary a lot--for instance whether there are things called junior high school and which grades attend the high school. So, I'll talk about what I know as 'typical', but there will be variation. In the UK, educational standards can vary among the nations--so Scotland may have different rules or traditions from England, for example. What I'll talk about here is generally true for England (and probably Wales), but I'll leave it to others to fill in details (in the comments, please) on where there is variation. Second, educational systems seem to be in a near-constant state of flux. What you knew as a child may be quite different from what is done now. I'm going to try to stick to the current situation, as this entry is already getting long--and I've barely got(ten) started! Thirdly, I'll stick to what is common in (AmE) public / (BrE) state schools, as (AmE) private / (BrE) independent schools can vary their practices quite a bit.
Before we get back to that table, a note on types of schools. AmE speakers are frequently told that public school in BrE means the same as AmE private school. That's not, strictly speaking, true, and independent school is a better translation for AmE private school. The OED explains:
public school [...] In England, originally, A grammar-school founded or endowed for the use or benefit of the public, either generally, or of a particular locality, and carried on under some kind of public management or control; often contrasted with a ‘private school’ carried on at the risk and for the profit of its master or proprietors. In modern English use (chiefly from the 19th century), applied especially to such of the old endowed grammar-schools as have developed into large, fee-paying boarding-schools drawing pupils from all parts of the country and from abroad, and to other private schools established upon similar principles. Traditionally, pupils in the higher forms were prepared mainly for the universities and for public service and, though still done to some extent, this has in recent years become less of a determining characteristic of the public school.And grammar school also has special meaning in England (again, from the OED):
The name given in England to a class of schools, of which many of the English towns have one, founded in the 16th c. or earlier for the teaching of Latin. They subsequently became secondary schools of various degrees of importance, a few of them ranking little below the level of the ‘public schools’.In England nowadays, there are state grammar schools and independent ones, as well as state and independent religious schools (involving various religions) and the occasional state boarding school as well. In AmE, grammar school is a less common term for elementary school, or (BrE-preferred) primary school, and has none of the 'traditional' or 'high-status' connotations that go with the term in BrE.
And a final bit of terminology before we get back to the table. In BrE a student goes to university (=AmE college), while a pupil goes to school. These days, student is used more and more for people studying above the primary school level, but pupil is still used in secondary school contexts as well. Pupil is understood in AmE, but generally not used--all learners in institutions of education are students in AmE.
So, let's get back to that table and the British (or at least English) system. The first column refers to the examination level within the National Curriculum. Everyone goes through Key Stages 1-3. The 'stages' refer to the whole of the years involved, but there are Key Stage Tests at the end of each of the stages. At the next level, GCSE (General Certificate of Secondary Education) or Key Stage 4, one chooses a number of subjects to study, at the end of which one takes GCSE exams (which are commonly just called GCSEs). The Scottish equivalent of GCSE is the Standard Grade. Prior to 1986, people took O-levels. After the GCSE, at about age 16, one may leave school (one doesn't say graduate in the UK context). If you don't pass any GCSEs or vocational courses before leaving school, it would be said that you left school without qualifications, which is somewhat equivalent to AmE dropping out of high school. Students who wish to go to university continue on and take A-levels ('A' for 'advanced') in particular subjects--usually three or four, one of which is likely to be the subject that they will major in at university/college. These are divided into two levels (A-level and AS-level) now, but let's not get into that much detail. See here for more info.
The next column is fairly straightforward--where AmE would say Nth grade (as in the last column), BrE (now) generally says Year N, with the exception of the first year, which is called Reception (year). (Note though, that N≠N in this translation, as the table shows.) Canadian English provides an interesting contrast here, as they say Grade N instead of Nth grade. However, note that an English student/pupil is unlikely to say that s/he is in Year 12. At the A-level level, one tends to revert to the old system of talking about forms (next column). So, a student studying for A-levels could be said to be in the sixth form. Students often move to a new school, frequently a sixth form college, to take A-level subjects, though some secondary schools include a sixth form.
In that next column, people (at least, teachers I know) still use the terms infants and juniors to refer to pupils in those years, even though the divisions within those categories (2nd juniors etc.) are not now used in most schools. Many schools still have names that reflect those divisions, however.
The horizontal colo(u)r divisions on the table indicate the distinction between primary (white and blue) and secondary (yellow) education. In AmE, the terms primary and secondary are used as well. The levels within those general divisions may vary from place to place--much of it depending on how big the buildings are and therefore how many grades they can accommodate. Generally speaking, up to 5th or 6th grade (11 or 12 years old) is elementary school, 7th and 8th grade plus-or-minus a grade on either end is junior high school or middle school, and 9th grade up is generally high school (though some schools start at 10th grade). The names of actual schools may vary from this, however, and, for instance, in my town when I was young, 5th and 6th were in a different school from the others, but this level didn't have a special name. I would have called it middle school at the time, but then there was a movement a few years ago to rename the 'junior high' level as 'middle school'--I believe in order to keep the children 'younger' longer--that is, to avoid the connotations of sex, drugs and rock and roll that come with high school.
At the high school level, the grades (and the people in them) also have names:
- freshman year = 9th grade
- sophomore year = 10th grade
- junior year = 11th grade
- senior year = 12th grade
On to the the tertiary level! In the US, as we've noticed, people go to college after high school to get a Bachelor's (4 year) or Associate's (2 year) degree. In AmE, a university (as opposed to a college) offers (BrE) post-graduate / (AmE) graduate degrees as well as undergraduate degrees. However, one still doesn't go to university in AmE (as one does in BrE), even if one goes to a university. After one goes to college in AmE, one might go to grad(uate) school.
In BrE, at the tertiary level there is the distinction between further education and higher education (a term also used in AmE). Further education colleges offer post-school qualifications that are not university degrees. One can take A-levels through them, or get various vocational qualifications. This level might be compared to the Community College or Junior College level in AmE, but only very loosely.
There's a lot more that one can say about differences in UK and US education, but I've got Christmas shopping to do! Happy longest night of the year...
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I went to a rather snooty American prep school--that is, a (AmE) private school designed to prepare students for (AmE) college (usually of the liberal arts or elite university variety). These prep schools often try to mimic British public school mores and manners. Anyway, one of the older teachers there used to refer to us by forms--so he called the 9th graders third formers, and so on. Needless to say we had no idea what he was talking about. So I guess he achieved his linguistic purpose.
This is a great blog (which I've only recently discovered).
Can you tell us some of the questions on your British naturalization exam?
Thanks for the compliment, Hieronimo, and welcome to the blog!
I had to sign a form saying that I would not discuss the questions on the test, or I would retroactively fail it. I don't think they can do anything about it now that I'm actually a citizen, but it wouldn't be wise to try it on the internet!
But the BBC did a little test based on the book that you have to study for the test, and you can try that at this
link.
I'm not sure how the statewide exams introduced, or in some cases reinforced, by the No Child Left Behind law in the United States compare to the A-level exams in Britain, but most if not all states now require high school seniors to pass a statewide exam before they can get a diploma; it is not just the usual round of final exams.
Students are typically tested in reading, writing and mathematics, and such tests are required to move on from several grade levels, not just to earn a high school diploma. The Texas version is called TAKS -- the Texas Assessment of Knowledge and Skills -- and Googling that phrase will tell you more than you could possibly want to know about the concept, which remains extremely controversial and, with the shift in power in Washington, seems likely to be radically modified if not jettisoned entirely.
No Child Left Behind is about basic literacy. The A-levels are about advanced knowledge of particular subjects, like Psychology or French.
...NCLB tests are more like what's done at the Key Stages in UK schools. The A-levels don't really compare to anything in American school education.
I think the A-levels are rather like the AP subject tests over here. AP stands for "advanced placement" and scoring well on them often yields college credit, so they have a different function than A-levels, as I understand them. But they are taken in the last year of secondary education and they test knowledge of a particular subject. Psychology isn't available, but English (literature), US History, Math, Science are.
I got 6 of the 14 questions right. Probably no citizenship for me, but then, I didn't study.
I did know (or deduced): the name of the 1215 document outlining English rights; what it's "very important" to ask a solicitor before engaging him or her; when 18 yr-olds got the vote; what your rights are if asked to go to the police station for an "interview"; what to do if you spill a person's pint at the pub (an important one, that); where Father Christmas calls home.
Sigh... I wonder how I'd do on the US test.
Incidentally a prep school in BrE is designed to prepare children for public or grammar school, generally teaching people from the ages of 8 to 12/13. We also have "sixth form colleges" where some people go after their GCSEs just to study for their A-levels.
There are (some variations in the primary schools in England. In some regions there are Lower/ Infant Schools, Middle Schools, and Upper Schools. I think they vary somewhat but Lower School goes up to approx Year 4, Middle School is Y5-6-7, and Upper School is the rest (with or without a 6th Form/ Y12-13/ A-Level bit attached).
I went from this system to the 'normal' system half way through primary school, and I must say, 11 does seem a bit old to be in the same school at 5-year-olds. In Year Six I think most of us had outgrown the place. Though it was a particularly small village school.
I think the difference between A-levels and the way the US schooling system works is that, after age 16, most people don't do anything but A-levels (or advanced-level vocational qualifications, but i don't know much about them). So, if you want to be a vet, say, or a chemist, you can drop stuff like English; if you want to go to art college you can drop Maths and Science. And English. And most other stuff. You can also do subjects that aren't widely available to under-16s (due to curriculum requirements), such as psychology and other -ologies, linguistics, and loads more i'm sure.
GREAT blog entry -- thanks!
By the way, Brackley is near at least one American Air Force base, so perhaps that's why they have so much comparitive detail on their website?
HAPPY HOLIDAYS!
Janet
Thanks for pointing me to this blog, Hieronimo.
Another source of confusion (along the lines of the student/pupil conundrum) is the broader definition of "school" in AmE. Informally an American "goes to school" even if he or she is getting a BA or a PhD, something that amused and irritated my British ex a bit, especially when she was finishing her thesis and Americans asked where exactly she was going to school.
We covered that in the last blog entry, James--leading us to this one! Welcome to the discussion.
Thanks for all the additions, everyone!
I discovered this blog (and was delighted to do so) through a reference in the Boston Globe (Sunday, Dec 24 '06). My earliest recollection of the quotation re "separated by a common language" attributed it to G B Shaw, and it was regarded by my contemporaries as a witticism in the tradition of english humorists like Wilde, Wodehouse, Gilbert or Sullivan (whichever was the librettist?) Shaw himself, etc. On this side of the water, Benchley, Thurber, Leacock or Dorothy Parker used language similarly, deliberately stretching ideas to the point of absurdity in order to make a point.
If I may, I would like to throw in a few comments about english education in 1940 or thereabouts.
At that time only about 10% of working class children went into secondary education, by obtaining high marks on the "scholarship exam", at age eleven. Middle class usually went to minor public schools which were private (as fee paying pupils)schools. These were organizationally similar to the state schools but had a wider diversity of (read a higher proportion of dumber) pupils. Upper class went to the famous public schools, like Eton, Harrow, Winchester, Rugby etc. I understand that the reason the public schools were so called was to distinguish them from the Church Schools, which only admitted pupils of a specific faith, while the public schools had no such restrictions and were therefor open to the public.
At the state school level, Secondary school and Grammar school were pretty well ineterchangeable, but Grammar Scool had a little extra cachet. The Forms were as shown in your table, but usually there was no fourth form, one went from 3rd to 5th. In popular boys stories of the time,(British equivalent of the Hardy Boys) the non-existent fourth form was referred to as "Remove", and seemed to the place where the kids who were not ready for the School Certificate exams were held over until they got to 16 years old and could leave school. (Does Harry Potter have a 4th form?)
In the 5th form (at 15 years old) one took the School certificate exams in 5 to 8 subjects. One had to pass in 5 subjects to Matriculate (university entrance qualification) and this was regarded as a satisfactory ending to four years of schooling, even if one did not go to university.
The grading was Very Good, Good, Pass, and Fail. Personally, I took eight subjects (the norm for my school) and got VG in English Litterature, Physics and Maths(BrE). and G in English comp, French, History, Chemistry and an F in Art (how could one do that?). Obviously one doesn't have to say "English History - what other kind is there.
After that, the few (about 10% of the original entrants) who went into Lower 6th, then Upper 6th, took the Higher School Certificate exam - much more intense and specialized. Most people took three major subjects and one subsidiary. (Mine were Physics, Chemistry and Maths (majors) and French (sub). Incidentally, all of the exams were essay type. One and a half hours each subject for the School Cert. and three hours each for the Higher cert. major subjects. The results from these were the basis of scholarship awards, and also, if the grades were sufficient, would enable one to skip the first year of university and thus get a Pass degree in two years, or an Honours degree in three.
(Statistical note: At my Grammar school, 60 pupils entered when I did, having won scholarships at regional elementary schools, in 1937. Of these, six entered the 6th form in 1941. All of these went to universities - about 1% of the initial elementary school population. Of the six, three became university professors , one became a successful civil engineer, one became a secondary school teacher, and I sort stumbled into computers in 1957. Presumably all six were Mensa level intellects so the filtering system, based on tough exams at an early age, seems to have worked reasonably well.
Thanks for all the recollections, xgeordie, and welcome to the blog!
unless i am much mistaken the differentiation between old grammar schools and state schools at secondary level was that you had to take the '11-plus' exam to get into a grammar school, which were more academic as opposed to the state and tech schools of the time which had a more vocational and practical emphasis.
to answer xgeordie, harry potter doesn't refer to 'forms', nor does it use the UK 'years' system. hogwarts covers years 7 to 13 but refers to each in terms of their year at the school, i.e. a year 7 would be a first year, a year 8 is a second year etc.
only Oxbridge still uses Matriculation exams for uni entrance now (thank goodness!)
most of us in England also had to take the 'Edinburgh reading test' in year 8, just to see how literate we were.
So let me get this straight. Would a student attending their 3rd year at a British university be equivalent to a 4th year studying at an American university?
I'm confused cause I'm studying abroad and the classes in the British system seem so much harder than what I expected!
Br 3rd year = Am 4th year in that that's the year you graduate. But Br students come to the university with more specialist subject knowledge to start (at least in some disciplines) because of the A-levels.
I hail from the American public school system. I think the major difference between the education systems is attitude about knowledge. Most of the elite colleges in the US have a liberal arts focus. Instead of cultivating hard skills (accounting, engineering, and such) the school aims to sharpen soft skill so that the students can work in almost any industry after college. Due to this attitude, secondary school takes a much more holistic approach. I had to take 3 years of science (all with a significant lab component), 4 years of math up to pre-Calculus, 4 years of English, 4 years of history/political science, and there was a one year arts requirement. You have to learn everything. The exams required for most colleges just measured basic knowledge and possibly the ability to learn new things in college. Most American students don't start their major until sophomore year and sometimes junior year.
Hi, I wanted to ask for a little help. My family has moved around every 1-2 years and I've been through pretty much every school system out there. Consequently school hasn't been the most joyous experience, especially when it comes to repeating because of moving around too much. I'm currently in a private british system doing my AS-levels, and was told that in my case I could apply and start college/university in the states next year instead of staying on to do A2 (upper sixth form in BrE) - is upper sixth really considered the first year of university? Could you help me understand transfering from this system to the American, and whether I can leave next year??
Many thanks,
keiks
British bachelor's degrees are typically 3 years, and American ones 4 years. So, sixth form is often considered to be the equivalent of the freshman year in America. But, whether any particular American university would consider AS-level to be the equivalent of a US high-school diploma is up to that university. So your best bet is to contact the universities to which you want to apply and ask them.
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