Sunday, May 20, 2007

up the albion!

The comments on the last post mostly cent{er/re} around uses of up as a verb...which led me to recall one of my first encounters with a BrE sense up. (This one a preposition.)

It was on the back of a bus, and it said: UP THE ALBION!

Now, the Albion is Brighton and Hove Albion, also known as the Seagulls, the local (BrE) football club / (AmE) soccer team, so I was puzzled as to why the local bus company would want to say something rude about the local team. You see, in AmE I would have to say up with the Albion (reminding me of a slogan from my childhood, Up with People). Without the with, I could only presume that I should interpret it as I interpret Up yours, which is a rude thing to say wherever you are.

Better Half says that Up the Albion! is a kind of cheer that one used to hear on the terraces, but these days one is more likely to hear You are going home in a fucking ambulance! (he sang that, but I can't figure out how to give you a sense of the rhythm) or some of the chants available on this website. (I'm sending you to the Albion page, but there are lots more on that site for other clubs too. For an intro to football chants, see also this BBC site.) Terraces in this sense means steps or tiers where people stand to watch the (BrE) match/(AmE) game. They're kind of like (AmE) bleachers, except that they're for standing, rather than sitting. Terraces are becoming a thing of the past (whereas increasingly abusive football chants are not), because of safety concerns, following a number of horrible incidents in the 1980s (including and especially the Hillsborough disaster). New stadiums have seating throughout.

Of course, there are other ways in which up is used differently in AmE and BrE, but they'll have to wait until I haven't got so much marking/grading to do.

13 comments:

Melissa said...

Heh. I laughed out loud a little when I read, "(whereas increasingly abusive football chants are not)."

Chris said...

I am reminded of an American activity I'm associated with that divides itself into multiple sections, among them the East, West, and Middle. The "war cry" of the last named is "Up the Middle!" (intentionally hilarious, to Americans at least).

John Cowan said...

Irish-Americans (in which group I am included) have been saying "Up the Irish!" for a long time, probably since the migrations started in earnest after the Black '49. So I think that "up the <nationality>" in a positive sense is good AmE, though of course other short directives involving "up" are definitely negative.

flashgordonnz said...

WHat is the "ups" as in "ANd I want to give a big ups to my parents"? It is respectful, bur what does it comefrom "be upstanding"?

Rick Sprague said...

My DC United supporters group (not really a "firm") sings "You are going home in a fucking ambulance" to the tune of The Battle Hymn of the Republic ("Mine eyes have seen the glory..."). Was that the rhythm your Better Half demonstrated?

flashgordonnz, I think that use of "ups" comes from "thumbs up". It's a shortening similar to "props" and if I'm not mistaken comes from the same community. (I'm not sure what "props" is a shortening of though; "proper respect" is my best guess.)

lynneguist said...

I'm Irish-American, but I've never heard 'Up the Irish'. There are some hits via Google, but they're hard to separate from things like "sail up the Irish sea" and the like. I wonder if Up the Irish is better known in places with more recent Irish immigration (Boston, NYC) than elsewhere?

BH wasn't singing the ambulance chant to the Battle Hymn of the Republic tune. It wasn't any tune I recognised. If you're singing it to the BHotR tune, RS, I presume you have a longer set of lyrics?

Rebecca said...

No no no no no! The Albion is a mythical, wonderful place full of Libertines and park benches and cigarettes! Honestly, it is!

Um, okay. Let me explain. There was The Libertines, a band. Their frontmen Pete Doherty and Carl Barat had a romantic, mythical vision of Albion and Arcadia, where freedom reigned and poets lived, blahblahblah. Of course it didn't quite work out like that, since the band split and Peter is still in the throes of an addiction to crack, but still, it's a nice vision and one which Libertines fans get quite carried away with. The Libs also have a song called Albion - also recorded by Peter's new band, Babyshambles. The lyrics are here.

I can't think of anything else when I hear 'Albion'. It is one of the best parts of being a Libs fan :)

lynneguist said...

Let's not give the addled Mr Doherty too much credit... Albion is an ancient name for Britain/England, and has been used by poets to refer to this island for centuries. Several football clubs use the name.

John said...

You didn't recognise "Battle Hymn of the Republic"? Maybe you recognise it with these lyrics:

He jumped from 30 000 feet without a parachute
He jumped from 30 000 feet without a parachute
He jumped from 30 000 feet without a parachute, and he ain't gonna jump no moooore...

Or alternatively John Brown's body, for the more traditionally minded. But no, not the "f*ing ambulance" tune I'm familiar with.

flashgordonnz said...

Hi rick, thanks for that.

Funny that thumbs up is okay in English speaking countries, but I understand you'll end up in hospital if you give an Italian the thumbs up! Okay that's not linguistical, but geatures are a form of communication, too!

Stephen said...

I'm surprised that nobody has yet mentioned the version of this slogan that it used by fans of the London team Arsenal. See, for instance, this fanzine.

(Then again, perhaps someone has and it was censored.)

Rick Sprague said...

We don't have a full set of lyrics for the BHotR, we just repeat the line 3 times followed by "United marches on". We do have full lyrics for a chant sung to My Bonnie Lies Over the Ocean, but I'll forbear.

MaxPolun said...

you obviously aren't a metal fan: this is similar to the universal iron maiden cheer: up the irons!

not surprising from a british band, but the term is international.